Gwan the Billy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm9AK0fLAsE

Billy Connolly has the whole star of david as above so below thing sussed and uses it to explain the nature of God/s. (ye wont see that on little Britain)

Did you ever look at the shape of an atom with the nucleus at the center surrounded by electrons and think it looks like a solar system... ....if we could look at the world at an atomic level would it look like the universe in microcosm...

Well, imagine for a second that it does.

Why dont we percieve Gods as a lad walking down the street... Billy recons its for the same reason a Frog in a pond doesnt really percieve us as we are.

A frog has most of the same bits as us its just less advanced in evolutionary terms. Compared to it we are life in macrocosm. Billy recons a simaler relationship exists between us and God/s.

Sticking to the as above so below principal wed have all the same bits as Gods but they exist on too grand a scale for us to percieve them as they are

sod scientology lets found the church of Billy Connollyism.

A good friend came up with a similar theory just this morning Though I would very much advise against making my friend the head of any Church.

Classic!!!

I reckon Ole Bill makes more sense that some of the "wise men" that rule the religious quarters.

Maybe Billy is the wise man and has been sent to lead us all into the light.

Aye, Billy's the boy right enough! His take on why the Pope uses a sedan chair, and The Last Supper are also priceless digs at the establishment. Saw one of his earliest performances in Dundee about 31 years ago, was pregnant at the time, and I pissed myself at him! He was so "new" and totally irreverant even back then. My partner is Glaswegian and knew him before his days of stardom.

Class, it must be strange to see people you used to meet in the pub on TV.

when they arent being dragged into a police car or somethin anyway heh

Brillian bloody brilliant. I love the big yin!! And he has just put into words exactly my take on the human chain.

eh... *grin* Im about to throw an evil spanner in the works..

See I can accept this theory, tho I do not believe in "gods".. but if this is the case, and its certainly a possibility.. then these beings are vast and probably have about as much interest in us as we have in the common house fly, still makes me think the worship of gods is a pointless thing.. actually with this theory they arent even gods, just bigger more advanced beings...

*ducks while running out of the room*



Dont hate me Pomona!

I have a some what similar view Xalle, the highest divine or what ever you want to call it, is so far beyond us... (Being somewhat of a cosmoligist I consider it to be the very universe itself)... That it probably couldn't give a rats arse about what we do, and is quite possible barely aware of our existance... Its the lesser spirits, our gods and spirit guides, that are the ones we deal with.

On that note all I can say is looking at the Legends as a representation of the Irish culture in its pagan days, my ancestors believed in Gods.

Given that they bult things in 3000 bc that wed have trouble building now I dont take them for supersticious rednecks.

You dont have to be a supersticious redneck to believe in a god or gods.. and while their science, architecture and much more may seem amazing to us because many ignorantly believe that prior to this evolution of man everyone else were knuckle draggers it doesnt follow that we all do.

We HAD the Roman empire here in the UK and everything that if offered.. after that we went back to the dark ages... I mean after that.. the mind boggles. China and Japan were not swilling about in mud with an illiterate nation when the UK and Ireland were... just because we lost our history, doesnt mean that civilisation wasnt there.

I dont see that ancient maths, science, physics etc had anything to do with their religion...

*caugh* speak for yourself. In the Darkages Ireland was the shining light of the western world. We were recording Euopes earliest vernacular literature and St. ColmCille founded the monastery at Iona where kings and princes were educated...



As for sciences and ancient religion: those structures that wed have a job building today were built for a religious function (1). Arcaeologists theorise that a neolithic invasion brought a type of priest king with them to inspire the work. They certainly had a good grasp of geometry anyway.

1.) Bru na Boinne - Newgrange
http://knowth.com/newgrange.htm

Thats kinda my point.

What its got to do with the worship if gods is beyond me.

Oh and I am speaking for myself.. Im in Belfast.

well maybe your family was swilling around in the mud then

I think I was editing that while you replied, sorry man.

priest kings - advanced archetcture the logistics of quarrying and moving tonnes of stone. Those were some advanced pagans

Excuse me!?

Im not saying it wasnt advanced. *looks at posts* nope.. deffo didnt say it wasnt advance. What I said was.. what has it got to do with gods, appart from the fact that it may have been built for them. Were they devinely inspired.. maybe.. but you can be inspired by many things, the gods didnt build the things people did.

Ah right,

My position is that because my ancestors believed in them so do I. No further questioning required because IMO they were more in tune with the land and grew up with the religion.

My personal experiance of Gods prior to becoming a GT is what made me a polytheist but thats just my non transferable experiance.

As for the family thing,


I know ireland wasnt swilling around in the muck in the darkages... ...but if you maintain your ancestors were, then they were.

Your ancestors also believed the world was flat. Do you believe that too?

Show me where they believed the world was flat

I think youve mistaken old pagan Ireland for christian pre-rennaisance Italy there. There are alot of sea voyages in Irish legend and they never come to the edge of the world in any that I know of.

Dont believe the hype yo.

On a side note or back to the origional note thats what gods are IMO. They work on a higher level then us and gradually through self improvement and reincarnation well evolve to their level too.

The big yin too right!

Xalle you said the "dark ages"

ArdRi79
"According to legend, when the Danaans landed in Ireland, they arrived from the sky on a ship of dark clouds on the eve of Beltaine. " tell us or rather me some more!

Slainte

Sure bro Ill just knock it out in another thread, it would be way to big for this un.

Of course, something that kinda throws a spanner into this theory is that electrons, rather than being solid pieces of matter as planets are, actually have a wave/partical duality, and in effect can be viewed as forming shells of energy around the nucleus as opposed to it being one solid particle spinning round as with the solar system. The reason that they seem similar is that this is how things react when there is a large force attracting a smaller force, as with gravity or the forces between atoms.

As with gods, from what I understand of many traditions, including greek, viking and roman, and their relationship to gods (which to be fair isn't really that much), they do seem to see gods as basically another race that are higher up than us. The fact that these gods often come down to earth pretending to be human, and also reproduce with humans seems to support that. This is opposed to monotheist religions like christianity, where God is an omnipotent, omnipresent, and lots of other omnis, being who is completly perfect and very much divided from humans and the material world.

Just my take on it

Kristofski x

Yes, its always been an idea of mine that this universe consists of the molecules in some gigantic chair in some other more gigantic universe...and the stars of that universe just the molecules of some other even larger universe...

Ah! well its Billy Connolly it wasnt going to be too reliable

ok.. let me see if I can come at this from a different angle.



Yup.. dont have a problem with that at all.



Also agree with this.

What I am trying to say is that the two do not have to be linked. I dont think that it follows that because they were able to do these things and we are in awe of them... and they had a religious belief that we should take their "civilisation" as "proof" that they were right about their gods.

Its like saying...

"X was a brilliant cook.. amazing... made things we've lost the recipies for and the like of his cakes will never be seen again... he believed in aliens you know.. he must have been right... he was a brilliant cook!"

Do you see what Im getting at?

IMO Druids werent the middlemen priests are today, so for the descriptions of the Gods to remain as part of the common mans Oral trad til the coming of the christian written trad; the vast majority of the culture would have to have been self deluded for hundreds of years.

Archaeology says they had minds so sharp their engineerings skills compete with our greatest feats of engineering today without the benefit of modern technology, so the self deluded theory doesnt work for me.

Its one of those things youll have to experiance for yourself man, if youre sceptical go hang out at Emhain Macha with the Craobh Rua at one of the festivals, then decide for yourself if what you experiance is proof of the Gods existance.