Tas Mania
Feb 15 2007, 10:18 PM
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether there is might be any validity in claims made by some of having come, in a previous life, from Syrius? There seems to be a bit of "I am a star child/person" belief, and I'm intrigued. (<---Tas has found a new word!)
Some say that it was from Syrius that the Egyptians came/learned. Hence the dog headed Gods etc. Also that there are 2 Syrius stars/planets (?) and the wee one takes matter from the bigger every so often! If so, would these transfers have any effect on earth or its inhabitants?
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Pomona
Feb 15 2007, 10:22 PM
The only thing I can think of with Sirius is the star, also known as the Dog Star. Made an appearance in one of the Mary Poppins books where one of the children (Jane, I think) was transported there and didn't like it much... Also a pub in Leith...
Apart from that... Need to have a wee look at this one...
hawkeye
Feb 15 2007, 10:29 PM
don't the pygmies of west africa have a belive that one of their gods (dog headed?) came from there and they knew that it was atwin star before "modern sience"?
Crow
Feb 16 2007, 12:17 AM
That was the Dogon people of Mali, I believe.
hawkeye
Feb 16 2007, 12:30 AM
that kind of rings a bell, my memory is definatly random acsess these days
Freydis
Feb 17 2007, 11:35 AM
Ummm, only know Sirius as the Dog Star ...and the character in Harry Potter of course! Can't comment, I'm afraid, need to do some research.
evermorelong
Feb 17 2007, 12:09 PM
Tas Mania
Feb 17 2007, 02:09 PM
Instead of lazily asking for info, I decided to go a-hunting - and here's what I discovered! (Thought it was all very interesting.)
Most religious beliefs and practices stem from the now verifiable fact that a nearby supernova explosion , followed by the eruption of Sirius B into a red giant spewing plumes of matter from its poles , changed the course of human and environmental history . Gradually the worship of these devastating astrophysical events was subverted by social reformers when morality became the dominant theme. Nevertheless, most sacred scriptures still portray their deity as a humanized supernova or the red giant who caused a great catastrophe. Revelation 12 parodies the Egyptian version of Sirius B, personified by Isis, giving birth to the godhead Horus and to the Cosmic Serpent responsible for devastating Earth. The Koranic version (Sura 53; 49-52, The Star ), portrays Allah as the Lord of Sirius who destroyed Noah's folk aforetime . The Hindu Rig-Vedas personified the red giant eruption as Indra who controlled Vritra , the destructive serpent of darkness . These cosmic serpents also produced manna to sustain survivors. This succouring event gave rise to many offerings cults , some still in vogue. Enduring symbols were invented to perpetuate the memory of these traumas and myths were yet another memory device , unfortunately tainted by elaborations and corruptions over time, tending to obscure the original core truths contained in unadulterated Egyptian Pyramid Texts , and later art. These resonate with similar recollections from all parts of the world, suggesting a common experience , even found in Mesoamerican art and literature.
Good eh?!
Julai
Feb 17 2007, 09:18 PM
Fascinating Jim.
Quasizoid
Feb 17 2007, 11:45 PM
I'm not so sure about a supernova being cause to the whole catastrophy, but I do know Sirius B is a star in the helium fusion stage of its life cycle. This naturally occurs when the spent matter of a star, amasses into a shell through the equilibrium of matter density versus thermodynamic pressure. Inevitably the pressure becomes so great, that Helium fusion begins in what is known as a "helium flash", where the shell is literally blown off (as seen in the "Ring Nebula"). Although much of the lighter elements would have been absorbed by Sirius A, I would not want to have been in the path of the matter ejected beyond that system.
Indeed if it blew at the time of Noah, and other accounts surrounding the "Great Flood" (I have no doubt it did) then I'm sure people had every reason to believe their day of reckoning had come.
Indeed Crow, the binary system that Sirius comprises, forms the basis of Dogon beliefs. Curious is the fact that the Dogon always knew it comprised of two stars, although this is hardly discernable to the naked eye. It seems their whole culture is based on the celestial concept of "twins". Being as the ancient Arabs observed this binary as a red giant, they certainly would have some dramatic account of when the helium flash event occurred. Sirius is only six light-years away from our system.
Wulfric
Mar 6 2007, 01:16 PM
Sirius B is thought to have been bigger and brighter than Sirius A once, but it burnt out millions of years ago and is now a white dwarf (the first ever detected).
Sirius A is what is known as a variable star, meaning that it dims and brightens over a period of time. Any planet orbiting Sirius (Alpha Canis Majoris) would be constantly pelted with radiation and would resemble the earth as it was in it's first few million years of its existence. At best the only life that could form under those condition would be single-celled creatures. The "goldilocks" position for a planet to support life would bring any planet into the orbit of Sirius B.
I read somewhere (can't remember where - it was a few years ago) that a team of anthropologists couldn't find any reference to the Dogon belief in Sirius existing before they were visited by European missionaries. However, 1. how do they know this? 2. Why would missionaries know about the discovery of Sirius B in 1850 (or whatever it was) - it would hardly have been headline news!
Wickers_Poet
Mar 22 2007, 10:11 PM
And that he is the Lord of Sirius
(The Holy Quran. Al Najm [The Star]. 50).
elbee7
Mar 26 2007, 01:21 AM
Dog Star
Keanu Reeves band- thats all i know!
I obviously have a lot to learn!
Interesting thread though!!
E xx
treehugger
Mar 26 2007, 09:13 AM
The interesting thing with the Dogon, is that they actually claimed that its a triple star. So not only did they claim there was a small secondary star.long before atronomers ever found it, they also said there was a tiny THIRD star around there too, and recently (if ive picked this up right) astronomers discovered a wobble in teh orbit which coudl be due to a third body.
Alos, they were huge headresses which they claim represent their fish headed gods. These are VERY similar to the mesopotamian fish headed god (name has just gone from brain). they can also draw fairly complex (relatively speaking) star charts of the system that sirius is a part of.
There are other aspects of their culture which are very odd in that they are completely different to many other nearby African tribes. Some have theorised there may have been influence from early egyptians, but theres no solid evidence for that as yet.
Tree x
Quasizoid
Mar 26 2007, 10:18 AM
The thing about Sirius B's helium flash brings to mind another coincidence in human history. It is in Solon's account of Egyptian records on Atlantis and the Great Flood. Basically, Egyptian scribes explained to him that his country itself also had a flourishing civilization at the time, that was able to fend off these mysterious invaders, but that too was lost in the catastrophy. They also explain that the great flood was actually subsequent of a "shift in the stellar sphere" followed by "fire raining from the sky". In this they pointed out that the few survivors between vast forest fires and massive landslides from the subsequent climatological effects, were illiterate herders...and despite their naive mythologies that evolved by word of mouth, elements of truth can be found in stories such as the one about "Phaeton" losing control of the sun chariot, thus setting the earth afire.
tibbington
Apr 4 2007, 02:24 PM
Quite a good book called the Sirius Connection by Murray Hope which tackles ancient Egypt fascination with the Star
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