Title does what it says on the tin really - read a bit about people and wights elementals etc

What are they?

Wights is a term used by Heathens. Technically it embraces any creature, seen or unseen, so it includes gods, humans and animals as well as the unseen spirits, but it's usually used for the latter.

The two commonest types of wights referred to are housewights and landwights, though it coveres all the denizens of the unseen world. Housewights are usually what UK folklore referes to as brownies, though they acn be other creatures. Mine seems to be a pouka, and another I know of is an undine of some sort.

Landwights are what it says on the tin: the creatures that occupy the land. Some are guardians of circles and standing stones, some undines (water wights), some simply people of the forest or a glade - whatever. sometimes there are several of them, sometimes only one in a given area.

So do nymphs and sprites exist and are they part of the same grouping?

The Romans and Greeks used the terms 'nymphs and sprites'. I'd guess they were different names for the same creatures.

Ewwww you've not got a pwcca have you?!

Having met the wight in question, I would say she is a stable wight, with a bad attitude from being mistreated/ignored for a while.

It was interesting staying there, though. The second (third?) time I was there, an offering of polite interest and a horseshoe was acceptable, it seems. Certainly, she never gave me anything but pleasant dreams and good feelings.

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Jez

Quite possibly, as she seems a lot more contented since I changed the kitchen so it look more like a stable than it did.



You didn't have a lilo for her to let down.

Having said that, I don't think she gave anyone bad dreams, as such.

OK.... i think these spirits exist...

Would it sound mad to say I could see them?

why, should it?

'Cos if someone came up to you and said they "see" things that you can't see then 99% of the populace would say you are mad.

And btw, brownies are kind of a brown colour, though there are grey ones of various shades, and occasionally black or white ones, though they are rarer. And they don't like being spotted and they move damn fast!

So Paganboy, when you say you see these things, how common are they? Do you see them every day? Are there any that you see regularly. or even communicate with? And have you ever met anyone else who sees the same thing as you do?

I have wanted to believe in the existence of, shall we say, non-solid beings since I first got into Anthroposophy, which postulates a whole hierarchy of classical nature spirits - gnomes, undines, sylphs, salamanders - but never saw a thing, and now am losing interest as it seems I never shall see any. I would like to know if anyone can offer objective evidence, such as more than one person describing the same being.

Or can anyone offer me the experience, e.g. 'come to my house and feel my house-wight pinch your nose' type of thing?

Julai, it strikes me that it's a clear cut case of belief. If you BELIEVE then they will show themselves, wightly or wrongly. No grey in between areas either. Simply black and wight. They are visible , or they are not.

I'll reply to Julai and Tas at the same time.


They are common, especially in woodlands and in houses. Not seen that many in towns or cities, maybe thats cos there is just so much going on anyway.

I didn't choose to see these things and frankly sometimes its disturbing and unnerving. If I could I would rather not see them. It is not a "gift"....

Yeh i believe in spirits and such but thats not linked. Cos i saw them before i decided on paganism.

Not that anyone believes me or why should they!? I've mentioned it and people laugh. So now i don't mention it.

Common - very
Every day - depends where i am
Communicate - nope never yet
Anyone else - not to my knowledge, not that is and feels like me anyway.

No it doesn't sound mad. Sometimes I see them, more often I feel them.

Frey

Paganboy - I wouldn't laugh at you or call you mad. As a fundi christian I saw a few things (called em angels!) but recently have seen nothing - maybe due to my spiritual flux and the fact I don't want to see anything right now!

It is not common but certainly not unusual or rare - we can have second sight which sounds like what you have. Do you see auras etc?

Never seen an aura... but sometimes i see "into" people.... its like i can see inside their "soul" can't describe it really. Its very very freaky and doesn't happen that often, usually have to focus or after an intense meditation or rarely sort of trance out and see it.

Then there is the fact that as my friend has told me, i seem to drain energies away and create an area of "stillness". She doesn't like working with me as she cant raise energy levels.

God i'm weird!

Ah, well that explains it...sounds to me more like a hypnotic thing rather than "energy-sucking". To see "into people" beats the hell out of reading auras anytime, though there are times this may seem like a curse rather than a blessing.

pagan boy and julai, i know how both of you feel! lol

I have a shadow cat, its even followed me from one apt (same complex ) to this one and Yes, they or in my case, is Fast!!

I don't know why i have such a hard time wrapping my mind around it! lol

I can't explain it.. and posted on here a long time ago about elementals and people were helpful.. it doesn't scare me,

I just don't understand why its choosen me!! lol

and i wonder weird things, what they live on, food? .. i know thats daft, as you all would say.. and how they exist??.. i figure everything is energy.. so.. that explains my own ?

soo I think its great that you opened up pb.. makes me feel better!

There was someone on Oprah, who said she could hear peoples aura's, best to explain it and she learned how to help heal them..she could also see inside them and see what areas needed to be healed and how to do it.

so maybe thats a gift, to see inside and someday you'll learn/ know how to use it.. or not..

I can't see aura's, I had a bf, who saw aura's only from people who were going to be special in his life, which i thought was interesting.

Theres a difference btwn my shadow cat and when my cats are dreaming walking around..

I don't understand it.. i wish i knew more about it.. or could wrap my mind around it better.

it is interesting tho..

this is going to sound like a silly question - but can they talk? my partner told me something really weird last night. Apparently, I was talking in my sleep and I said hello, my name is morgan/megan and went back to sleep. (My name is not morgan or megan) Could this be a wight? G. always seeing stuff too and we've photoed them - they look like white blobs or orbs.

any thoughts?

fizzy

Ahh, most certainly spirits of the netherrealm, and yes they can communicate words as well as images through dreams and visions. Were it not for this perception, we would not see them at all. As I once explained on another thread, their presence is spurious because theirs in an alter-reality bordering on ours at intervals. Its rather like the rastering of a TV image, that we can only vaguely perceive, yet capture on a photo if set at the right exposure time. The orbs are their actual form as it appears in this reality.

ho hum... you sure about that, Q? Ragnarok, I'd much rather see auras. Once you see into someone there's no going back. You can't undo what you know.

I've only ever know two other people IRL who could do it. One's a shaman, there other wasn't a pagan; she was a boss I worked for. Our job (sorting out difficult people at work) made it very handy. But it scared the sh*t out of the two other staff we worked with. One simply ignored it and concentrated on other stuff, but our assistant challenged us one day: "You two read minds. I know you do; I've seen you do it." It took us a week to calm her down. I don't think she ever believed our denials. In the end we just said we didn't do it to people we liked and who didn't create problems we had to resolve.

Ok. So if this is a "gift" then why doesn't it feel like something that is wonderful and such.... my head aches so badly sometimes and at times i get so freaked that i get scared.

I went out for a walk the other night and I generally don't go out walking at night alone cos i get this feeling that the spirits are trying to communicate more and i can sense them more.

I know what people are going to say that thats just the effect of the night and such but its true. During the day i can sense them all about me, but at night its just overwhelming, to the point that i turned back and went somewhere else.

Imagine hundreds of eyes watching you and you get how i feel most of the time.

Also, people say that this "gift" should be developed.
Question is how.
Do i just meditate and practice?
Do i seek out others help?
If i seek other's help then who should i choose?
What if they tried to twist and contort this to their own use? Jealousy and envy are powerful motivators and i do not trust the human condition.
What if these "gifts" were never meant to be developed and that they are in fact taints of something else that was supposed to be locked away.

These are the questions i constantly roll about in my head and with no answers. Something in my head somewhere tells me to leave these things alone and that doing so is safer. Yet another voice says develop them and see what they bring. Maybe I'm schizo or just developing a psychosis. Either way, this is not a "gift"....

Well, at least I'm sure about that. I can't speak for anyone without the experience. In my case its something I inherited from my paternal grandfather. He was an immigration inspector and quite a legend in Canada Customs for his uncanny ability...but as you say, not something for the faint-hearted. I've experienced so many other people's NDEs I lost the meaning of fear long ago, but its not like I'm going to put that on my CV!

O.K. Here's a weirdish one. I do get into people's minds/know them for who/what they truly are. Buut not always. It happens now and again. Unexpected usually, though I can if need be call this "knack" up.
Usually it happens when I'm relaxed, often in the pub after a few drinks ( so obviously inhibition is lowered) and with total bloody strangers.
Like, I walk up to a person, and start to tell them the sort of shit most folk pay an arm and a leg to clairvoyants for. I never (not any more) launch straight in, but ask first with a brief explanation of sorts.
This has earned me odd looks, accolades, and sheer terror. Seriously.
As I said, it doesn't often happen and I can "summon" this ability, though I generally elect not to.
The last time I did this, the accuracy of my assessment/prediction was so scarily true it terrified the guy. And the stuff I knew (saw events as they'd happened, unfolding) was so "out there" as to sound like fantasy if I were to retell it all!
And the accuracy part holds true EVERY time i\ do this, It's not a party trick. I could do that stuff easily enough. It is like knowing EXACTLY what makes a person who they are, why etc and motives, the works.
Paganboy, I canempathise when you question where this could lead! But don't fret, you won't do anything nasty I am sure. i haven't, and I have had UMPTEEN opportunities!

Heh, my father and I assumed we'd got it from his grandmother, who was Romany. Now I'm wondering...the man she married was the woodsman son of a French Canadian who emigrated to this country. Perhaps it's rife there!



Er..NDE?

"Gift"s aren't universally welcome to the person who has one. It's the person who hasn't that seems to view something out of the ordinary as a gift. I spent an hour or more late one night trying to disabuse a friend of that notion.



It's up to you what you do with it - no one else can tell you what to do. You're the one who experiences these things. If people use 'should' or 'ought' to you, ignore tham and do what you want to do. In the end, what you do will either work or not, and if it doesn't, you'll try something else. Or not. As you please, or in line with what you can cope with.

If you ask someone for help and then suspect they're using you, stop accepting anything from them.

In you position the first thing I'd try to do is control the access i.e. try to learn to protect myself from my own awareness. but I'm useless at helping with such things as (1) I have no idea how I learned as I did it naturally in adolescence, and (2) it may not be what you want to do.

Be well. Learn. Try to relax.

Hmm, French-Canadian...that all depends is he was the breed that intermarried with the Six-Nations tribes. The rest are all pretty traumatized by the dogmatic child abuses from various Jesuit monseigneurs and lesbian nuns of that order in Quebec!

NDE, well I mean the near death experiences of friends and family who passed beyond. Though most went peacefully, there was one that had me writhing on the floor in pain. I learned the next day that the poor chap had died of a massive coronary. Since then I've inclined to distance myself empathically, especially when I see such signs in the making.

No idea. We had some Canadians relatives come over and visit my father to try to trace family, but my mother was dying at the time so he wasn't inclined to take their names and addresses, and I can't be arsed to do the family tree tracing bit.

Knowing my father was the product of a second marriage, his father must have been born around, say, 1880, so his father around, say, 1855, so the Canadian would have grown up around the 1830s/1840s. Probably a bit before the current problems with child abuse by Jesuits and nuns.

And, judging by how he brought his son up to be a backwoodsman in the UK, I'd say Great-great grandaddy was brought up a backswoodsman in Canada. Not likely to have seen a lot of education - with or without Jesuits!

Oh well then that explains it. Growing up in the wilds does hone one's "higher instincts" well, that is a fact. You just can't survive out there without it, as it is bears and other cunning beasts don't care much about religion or literacy either!

I shouldn't worry too much about that - psychosis affects only a small amount of people - only get worried if your ability really starts getting you down - then just talk to people and try to accept it. (easier said than done - I know).

Does anybody know what they actually look like then? G. sees faces sometimes at night. I often sense when they are around (there's been times when he's photoed me and I have been looking directly at these white blobs)

Do you know which is the best exposure time?

thanks. fizzy

p.s. anybody know who morgan/megan might be?

Longer exposure times will catch them as streaks, but I never took the time to narrow this down to anything exact, thanks to too many other priorities in my life. Though it seems your camera and timing have it right with the orbs, bear in mind that these things can suddenly move as they please, henceforth the blobs. I certainly would be interested to know the exposure times those ghost hunters in NZ used (as seen on Reality TV), sometimes even a tangible figure can manifest itself on film, if the spirit present is powerful enough. Certainly something worth experimenting with, if you have the time Fizzy.

(and just in case you missed my congrats to you on the Nebra disk thread, again I commend you on your successful walk. Well done! )

I think its Near Death Experience - fizzy

thanks Quasizoid - I had alot of fun walking.

I think I might try to upload some of the piccys - see what people think. We think they are orbs but who knows - it could just be dust particles.

fizzy

Well Paganboy, if you don't experience this as a gift or something that you want or find useful, then the logical thing would be to try to shut it out or ignore it. I heard recently that heariing voices, for example, is a normal experience for a certain proportion of people (could it have been one in twenty? I can't remember the figure). Anyway, maybe seeing figures is like hearing voices - just something that happens within your brain.

If there is no agreement between different people about what they can see, maybe it means that what they are seeing is subjective - within themselves - rather than out in the world.

Mad is when your problems prevent you from living a normal-ish life. As long as you are coping, you are not mad.

I would still like to see those brownies, though. Orbs are also interesting, but the fact that they are round and lacking in detail makes them rather hard to distinguish from the light effects you get through lenses.

i just peeped in here and i was interested in what paganboy said

when i was a child i used to stay near stleonards at a village called crowhurst and i was visited by a spirit ,ghost or whatever on a few occasions and i never told anyone fearing that they would think i was nuts but, now i know i am certainly not nuts a bit mad on the fun side but hey!

its gotta be don,

but seriously they exist and some of us have the honour even if its only once to see them
blessed be chris