(Scuse the typo - should read: OBEs!)

I am starting this thread as a way of maybe helping any members who are experiencing (to them) strange effects during meditation. I realise not everyone accepts astral projection/OBEs, but that there will be those for whom this is a regular occurrence, whether one deliberately sought, or one attained "accidentally".

The following links are from Wikipedia, and are by way of a preliminary explanation for anyone who doesn't know about these states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

So, lets hear your views and experiences, please!
Also, any further links/decent books on the subject would be most welcome.

will read this, give comments later.

fizzy

My my mind, meditation is all about being IN your body, even when you're doing visualization and guided mediations. If you are leaving your body during such, I wouldn't really call it meditation any more

True as regards meditation - only some can get OBE as a result, and if they don't understand the difference, it can be bizarre and/or scary for them!

Sure they can, amazing what happens when one relaxes but it effectually kicks you out of the mediation. That's my point. Its' not a goal of any mediation.



Yup, which makes it all the more important that the distinction between mediation and OBEs are made, lest someone give up on mediation all together.

A book to avoid is a book on Astral Travel by the School of Wicca, I picked this up in Canterbury a while back.. thinking it was a serious book..until i realised it was published by said School of Wicca........

It claimed to have done extensive research with some body in Canterbury and claimed there is no hell, the goal of astral travel is to discover the path of the soul, to astral merge.. apparently the equivilent of earthly sex, oh and in order to do t his one MUST have a guide, impossible otherwise, and have a concotion of iron head, ankle and wrist bands (taken so obviously from what's her name..Dion?)... oh and your bed can't have springs because it will inhibit travel.

Yet it also went on to say we travel without reaslising it a good 5 or so times per night during our sleep... er, can one say contradiction????

Oh and apparently having outstanding sex is a good way to experience astral travel....

mmmm

Ah! Dear old Celinne! ( ) - " Its all coming back to me now - its all coming back to me now"

(Tas coff hysterically in the background - thinks, really MUST increase that medication! )

Mmm..can still recall one absolutely amazing sexual experience (15 minute orgasm? it was....different ) but not OBE or astral travel.

But boy, was it different...

So tell me, where can I buy one of these then?

And Vigdisdotter, sorry for not fully inderstanding!
(Tas unscerews Stupidity Head! )

Tas you really should just stop lining up the bottles and taking one out of each at breakfast lunch and tea!!!

But thank you for the information



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Dammit! How did you DO that? And I thought my secret vice was safe between me and the House Goblins!

Has anyone here ever done astral projection? I have to say I remain very sceptical about claims to be able to project oneself in order to gain information about an actual, physical event or place. (If anyone can do it, may I suggest that there are any number of intelligence organisations out there who would be delighted to recruit you... )

If that form of astral projection is not achievable, are there other forms that people practice, and why?

Yes, but being one of the rare survivors of MK-Ultra coercion tactics, I'm not telling!

It is possible, it is being used. It is also very much under wraps. A web search for "far seeing" or "far sighting" should get you a host of info.
The military are naturally keen that Joe Public remain sceptical.

Ahem...Tas, your PM box is full! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

Oopsy! One of the trials & tribulations of being popular eh! (Coff, coff... )
Dealt with!

Funny how ideas kinda "click" - this one started with the "Atlantis" thread, got Googled and became the "Bohemian Grove" thread, and has now turned full circle!

I did a search for "remote viewing", and came up with the following links, all of which are (I think) rather intriguing.

http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com/cia_r...viewing_sri.htm

and from the Skeptic’s Dictionary,
http://skepdic.com/remotevw.html
which has some interesting links…

Whilst this site even gives instructions – just in case you want to check up on the neighbourhood coven’s midnight shennanigans!
http://www.rviewer.com/

Enjoy folks, but don't get carted away with the Fairies whilst you're at it!

Heh, read the fine print:



Yup, figured as much. Another CIA recruitment program!

sex thing sounds good. fizzy