QUOTE(woozle @ Jun 25 2008, 04:50 AM)
I often discuss topics on UKP with friends. We had an interesting discussion last night which i thought i might post here.
There seem to be a lot of people in direct contact with gods, spirits, faeries, the dead, ancestors, reincarnation, genetic memory and so on either by trance or mediation of simply by straight seeing things and meeting things and geting visited and so on.
The question which arose was with all this contact activity going on, can the information received be proven in the real world?
We have a friend here who sees the dead. Holding her hand i have seen the dead she sees. She talks to the dead, and yet can tell nothing about their existence. She is in contact with her great great grandmother yet knows nothing about her family, names, dates, nothing tangible and nothing demonstrable.
Not a shingle shred of information about past events or lives which can be proven that i or my friends involved in the discussion have ever seen or read (except once when later archaeological discoveries coincided exactly with the findings of a pagan in a burial mound). We have a medium here who contacts the dead too, with names, dates etc. but none of these correspond to the BMDs and census records available for the years in question.
I believe my friend, who was my companion for a while, who sees the dead. SHE however doesn't believe others. She says give me proof and i'll start believing, i said (in the past) you give me proof and i'll believe you, and she did so i do. So the question, in the words of another friend last night (excluding the pissy tone and angry face), "how many of your pagan friends can actually demostrate anything concrete? How do you know it is not just a product of your fertile minds? If it is possible to talk to the dead etc as they claim, how come archaeology is not light years further on than it is now and the mysteries of what objects were for or places were for are still mysteries? and (something i agree with) how come all these sprits etc change depending on who you are talking to?"
Over to you. Any help in this matter welcome for presumibly further heated discussion next week

I dont understand. Who are you asking for? You? Did your friend ( who you believe) not give you her proof? I mean you say you believe her, so, Im not entirely sure what you are asking. What did you tell your friend who asked the question?
Beyond that wee bit of confusion...

Lets pretend you didnt get proof and still dont believe. I want to try and address some of the questions you asked about archeology and the burning times and all that.
First off. When you are in history, you dont see history. Most of those who died in the "burning times" arent aware thats what we call it, or thats how we view it, or that they were even a part of it. They know what happened to them, as individuals, the dont see the "big picture" they dont see their lifetimes as events. When we look about us now, and we see what is happening in our world we dont look at it as history. Especially on an individual basis.
With regards to the archeology, the same idea applies. The dead, especaially the long dead, no sorry let me go at that again. The very long dead, the bronze age people lets say. Tend not to be numerous in their... numbers....

its too long past. Ghosts that interact with people
tend not to be that long dead. The older ghosts gets, the more removed from us they seem to get. I dont know why, I cant explain that, I think it has to do with their self awareness. Anyway, they tend to become stuck in a loop of action or emotion and you cant contact them for "information" because there isnt a connection between them and you. Im not explaining this very well. Its very hard to put into words. I hope I am making sense. Also, the ghosts that can and do make contact, if they are very old, really really dont give a damn about your quesions, they have their own agenda, they want to make themselves heard or, make a point or finish whatever it was that they need to finish to give them peace and no amount of questions like "how DID you grind corn" is going to get answered with anything more than, "stop asking stupid questions and HELP me/ DO this/ DONT do this" thats if you can ever understand them!
As for proof. What proof would you like? No seriously, not be sarcastic, what proof would your friend deem... proof?