Daniel
Jul 16 2008, 10:07 PM
Theres been two occasions, one quite a while back and one a few weeks back, on both occassions ive known something before its happened without knowing how i found it.
The first one dates back around 2 years ago.. I was in my room and i suddenly thought that there was going to be a fight outside my house, a group of chavs, i knew a knife or some sort of blade would be envolved. On the night, around 11pm this fight happened, with the knife. I prewarned my dad, and he was amazed.
The second was only in May.. Again i was in my room and i suddenly knew my girlfriends great nan was going to be ill. A few days later her nan goes into hospital and is now at a care home.
Theres been other small things, like people beytraying and falls out at partys that ive known about before they happen.
What i dont understand is, how do i know? Why do i know? Who is telling me this? Its confusing :s
Inverurie Jones
Jul 18 2008, 02:34 AM
I have no idea where it comes from. I wish the individual responsible would tell me tomorrow's euromillions results, but usually I can just tell when somebody is going to die soon. Which sucks.
Quasizoid
Jul 18 2008, 08:21 AM
Aha Daniel, I had a pretty good idea that you're an empath, it would account for the attraction of spirits. Trust your instincts and know yourself. There's alot of interesting and useful things you can do with that ability once you've got it sorted. I've honed mine to the degree where I can thwart an assailant through telepathic hypnosis.
Indeed Inverurie, forebodings of death are a real downer, especially when you know there's sod-all you can do about it. Even worse when I experience some of their NDEs. One I'll never forget is a long family friend who suffered a massive heart attack. I had no idea what hit me until the pain finally subsided. It literally had me writhing on the floor. Completely freaked out my brother.
Stormraven
Jul 18 2008, 10:10 AM
I agree with Quasizoid, definitely listen to and trust your feelings, I don't know where the fore knowledge comes from either, but it is damned useful in at times, though it can really spook some people that you have that ability.
Storm Raven
Daniel
Jul 19 2008, 01:16 PM
Isnt empath Clairsentience? Knowing of things to come, feeling expanded sense.
Enigma
Jul 24 2008, 02:08 PM
QUOTE(Inverurie Jones @ Jul 18 2008, 02:34 AM)
...but usually I can just tell when somebody is going to die soon. Which
sucks.
I can usually tell if a person is pregnant without even seeing if they have a bump or not. I have noticed a few people (including 4 or 5 teachers throughout my time at school) were pregnant before a bump started to form and a long time before it was announced. A small part of me also sensed my aunt may already be pregnant during a conversation about having children - she did not know she was pregnant at this point, it was in the very early stages.
Quasizoid
Jul 24 2008, 04:44 PM
QUOTE(Daniel @ Jul 19 2008, 02:16 PM)
Isnt empath Clairsentience? Knowing of things to come, feeling expanded sense.
Yes, it includes that.
Lupine
Jul 24 2008, 05:15 PM
Based on two instances? I'd look for more mundane explanations first. Life is fairly random, if coincidences did not happen and things like this never happened, then I would be concerned.
Mojie
Jul 24 2008, 07:05 PM
If it was just coincidence your details would not have been quite so "spot on" in my point of view.
I would try and develop your psyhic skills through meditation group working etc.
I agree with Quasi and Stormraven that you are empathic and to many people do not learn how to handle it because they are not backed up or supported.
Yes they could have been fulkes but i do not think so
But my main advice to you Daniel is Be Your Self
do not let others bully you
do not let people tarnish your belief in your self
wassail n frith
Mojie( who needs to take her own advice)
Comfrey
Jul 24 2008, 07:34 PM
QUOTE(Mojie @ Jul 24 2008, 07:05 PM)
But my main advice to you Daniel is Be Your Self
do not let others bully you
do not let people tarnish your belief in your self
Hmmm I cant see anyone doing so in this thread. I'm rather confused

.
As for the point in hand, my lass has on two or three occasions phoned me up to "warn" me about something she has sensed would happen and each time she was bang on. Including one where a knife was concerned. I took her advice and stayed at home that evening even though I had planned to go out, and I'm pleased I did

However whilst I actually do believe she and I have a link between us and I do also think perhaps the empathy she at least feels for me could be developed, lets say, I dont necessarily believe its all to do with mysticism.
I used to believe that everything I felt and saw and sensed was of a psychic origin, especially when I was starting out, but I have learnt that we need a healthy dose of scepticism too.
These days I always look for the mundane first and if I have satisfied myself it is indeed of spiritual origins, then I look further into the possibilities surrounding other coincidences.
You know the spiritualist movement says "there is no such thing as coincidence" and I bought into that at one point, but I ended up seeing something "otherwordly" into everything and that is just as bad as refusing to believe anything
A healthy balance in all things I think
Lupine
Jul 24 2008, 07:38 PM
QUOTE(Mojie @ Jul 24 2008, 07:05 PM)
If it was just coincidence your details would not have been quite so "spot on" in my point of view.
How do you know they are spot on? Was the 'prediction' written down? Can you state with 100% accuracy its not the memory changing events or your intuition to fit what happened? No. You cannot.
Sorry if I'm not buying into all this but someone has to point this out.
After all.
IF you do have such abilities, there is a very fat wod of cash waiting for you from a one James Randi.
Coincidence is just that, apparent accuracy.
QUOTE
I agree with Quasi and Stormraven that you are empathic........
How can you make that call based on one post, from one person, from someone you have never met, based on two incidents which you did not whiteness?
Lupine
Jul 24 2008, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(Mojie @ Jul 24 2008, 07:05 PM)
But my main advice to you Daniel is Be Your Self
do not let others bully you
do not let people tarnish your belief in your self
wassail n frith
Mojie( who needs to take her own advice)
And as I'm the only one here who has said something contrary to what the others are posting I can only assume that's directed at me.
Applying simple common seance and rational thought is not bullying. Its pointing out that there maybe simpler explanations without reaching for the spiritual.
Self belief is one thing.
Self delusion is another.
Edited to say, by my own logic I'm not in a position to dismiss you claim either, but I am in a position to question and that is what you asked for based on the title of the thread.
Mojie
Jul 24 2008, 07:48 PM
QUOTE(Lupine @ Jul 24 2008, 06:38 PM)
QUOTE(Mojie @ Jul 24 2008, 07:05 PM)
If it was just coincidence your details would not have been quite so "spot on" in my point of view.
How do you know they are spot on? Was the 'prediction' written down? Can you state with 100% accuracy its not the memory changing events or your intuition to fit what happened? No. You cannot.
Sorry if I'm not buying into all this but someone has to point this out.
After all.
IF you do have such abilities, there is a very fat wod of cash waiting for you from a one James Randi.
Coincidence is just that, apparent accuracy.
QUOTE
I agree with Quasi and Stormraven that you are empathic........
How can you make that call based on one post, from one person, from someone you have never met, based on two incidents which you did not whiteness?
Empathic from other things Daniel has posted(i have a good memory and read lots )
I have had pre cognitive "visions" of 9/11 and of my nans death my fathers death and a few other things but this like most psyhic talents only give you things they want to.
I try and keep things like this to my self
i do not for personal reasons (which are staying that way)believe in coincidence .
but as i am ill at the moment i refuse to get draw into the pedantic arguement that you seem to want
Moj
Lupine
Jul 24 2008, 07:52 PM
Its not a pedantic argument. He asked if it was a real ability, I questioned that and asked if there was a simpler more mundain explanation.
As for your "abilities", I would use the same questions to you, can you prove your abilities?
Probably not.
opalmoon
Jul 24 2008, 07:57 PM
how can i prove something i dont understand lupine.
i can predict when someone is pregnant the sex and date of birth before the mother herself knows. i've been right every time.
sometimes i shake hands with people and i know when they will die which can be terrible.
i have also predicted events long before they happen. when they happen i get freaked out i cant explain it. sorry its just something i do.
Lupine
Jul 24 2008, 08:00 PM
Opalmoon, with the greatest of respect you can make whatever claims you like, but unless you can prove it, I will treat it with a pinch of salt.
But this is not about you.
Again I have to say, the question was asked if it was a real ability, I asked if there was a more mundain explanation, something which anyone with have a brain would ask. I note that Daniel asked that very question.
opalmoon
Jul 24 2008, 08:04 PM
yes lupine id class it as a real ability. i have written down predictions and got them witnessed. put them away and then opened them after the event to see if i was correct. i have been right. so is that proof of it being an ability or not.
it may have some outward influences for some but for others it does not. maybe just some are more sensitive to the events around them
Comfrey
Jul 24 2008, 08:07 PM
QUOTE(opalmoon @ Jul 24 2008, 07:57 PM)
sometimes i shake hands with people and i know when they will die which can be terrible.
i have also predicted events long before they happen. when they happen i get freaked out i cant explain it.
So do I, Its horrid. Or it can be.
But as I said before I have learnt also to look for the mundane first because I was almost becoming delusional if the truth be known.
Like many people here I live with a depressive illness and especially because of the fact I am bi polar I have to be even more sceptical.
Like Lupine says, self belief is one thing but if one isnt very very careful it can become self delusion. I wouldn't want Daniel, or anyone else, to have to go through the misery I did when these things started to happen to me, simply because no one had the guts to tell me to calm down, and look for a more earthly reason before jumping to conclusions.
Its actually very unhelpful and unhealthy I think to completely and unquestioningly encourage these thoughts.
As I said everything needs balance and its even more important if you are wanting to develop psychic gifts or talents
Xalle
Jul 24 2008, 08:07 PM
I think Lupine has a point. You need to question everything. Memory is a funny thing, it plays tricks. You can only be sure if you write stuff down that you are correct and since this seems to be something new to Daniel, or rather an unusual occurrence, it seem sensible to me that you actually question what happened.
That said, if you are very close to you GF, its not that surprising that you can pick up on things, many people develop that ability with family and loved ones. Yes it is empathy, as to why that would happen with strangers, Im not so sure and I would question to the point of doubt, what actually happened there.
Opal, as you say, this is something you do (pregnancy) LOTS of times, its not twice in two years with two totally unrelated things and I think thats the point. Well for me it is anyway. Twice in two years isnt an ability, its no more unusual than thinking of someone before they ring. EVERYONE on the planet has had that experience, doesnt mean its anything special.
opalmoon
Jul 24 2008, 08:11 PM
very true comfrey. get some advice and help from those who have and can control this ability.
i have over the years learnt to turn it down so i dont get so freaked by it. i did it alone and only got some help a few years ago.
i now tell people ive got a gut feeling about something. people that know me know to listen to the advice i give but its their choice not to if they wish.
opalmoon
Jul 24 2008, 08:20 PM
and before i get stoned here.
my friends and family say oh dear she is using the force again. shame is im more jabba the hut than yoda
daniel my advice to you is keep a journal of these events however small and seek out some guidance. if you feel this is something you need to persue
Lupine
Jul 24 2008, 08:22 PM
QUOTE(opalmoon @ Jul 24 2008, 08:20 PM)
daniel my advice to you is keep a journal of these events however small...
That is top advise.
Comfrey
Jul 24 2008, 08:23 PM
QUOTE(opalmoon @ Jul 24 2008, 08:11 PM)
very true comfrey. get some advice and help from those who have and can control this ability.
i have over the years learnt to turn it down so i dont get so freaked by it. i did it alone and only got some help a few years ago.
i now tell people ive got a gut feeling about something. people that know me know to listen to the advice i give but its their choice not to if they wish.
I am these days very very careful who I say anything to I have to confess.
I taught psychic awareness groups for a long time way back, with a couple of friends of mine. This was not only to help people develop such skills but also to train them how to turn on and off, and how to protect themselves.
We also did some lecturing about our experiences too. But of course we were ridiculed (I still am) and now I am of the opinion that if people need this guidance they will seek it.
I just dont put myself in those positions any more if I can help it and I also rarely talk in any depth about these experiences these days. Even on line. I did once and have regretted it ever since.
opalmoon
Jul 24 2008, 08:29 PM
i fully understand that comfrey and i will respect that decision.
i do understand the ridicule but i have tough skin and take it with a pinch of salt thats their opion let them believe it. ill stick to what i believe and leave it at that.
Comfrey
Jul 24 2008, 08:37 PM
QUOTE(opalmoon @ Jul 24 2008, 08:29 PM)
i do understand the ridicule but i have tough skin
Oh I used to
I do talk about it, but in more private situations than a big forum. I also still "work" if you know what I mean.
But I'm too old to take on the world and its dog these days. I leave the world changing to those younger than me because its them who should be doing it.
I dont mind giving a helping hand from behind the scenes tho
Comfrey
Jul 24 2008, 08:41 PM
Anyway, back to you Daniel, I hope we've helped. Do as Opalmoon says and keep a diary, then look with really sceptical eyes and if you can see no (so called) logical reason, then I personally would seek some professional advice on how to control it.
I still know some good people even though I've been out the loop for years, but sadly as always there are SO many charlatans out there just desperate to take your money.
Just be careful who you trust if you chose to go for any development.
Hope that helps
Daniel
Jul 24 2008, 11:29 PM
QUOTE(Lupine @ Jul 24 2008, 05:15 PM)
Based on two instances? I'd look for more mundane explanations first. Life is fairly random, if coincidences did not happen and things like this never happened, then I would be concerned.
No, its been happening for a least 13 months now. Sometimes its silly things like traffic jams, i will tell my mom on the way home from work not to go that way home, she gets there and its jamed. Theres too many instances to list, something tells me i can hear it. I can phyiscal hear it, but i dont know who and it wont tell me its name.
QUOTE(Mojie @ Jul 24 2008, 07:05 PM)
If it was just coincidence your details would not have been quite so "spot on" in my point of view.
I would try and develop your psyhic skills through meditation group working etc.
I agree with Quasi and Stormraven that you are empathic and to many people do not learn how to handle it because they are not backed up or supported.
Yes they could have been fulkes but i do not think so
But my main advice to you Daniel is Be Your Self
do not let others bully you
do not let people tarnish your belief in your self
wassail n frith
Mojie( who needs to take her own advice)
Thank you

I have no interest in developing my 'skills'. I would like to understand but i guess to understand i must learn and develop those skills.
QUOTE(Lupine @ Jul 24 2008, 08:00 PM)
Opalmoon, with the greatest of respect you can make whatever claims you like, but unless you can prove it, I will treat it with a pinch of salt.
But this is not about you.
Again I have to say, the question was asked if it was a real ability, I asked if there was a more mundain explanation, something which anyone with have a brain would ask. I note that Daniel asked that very question.
I wouldnt be able to prove it, unless i was told something that was forwarded in your direction. I dont ask, i get told. Who by, well i wanted some advise on finding out who tells me.
Comfrey! again thanks. Ill stick with it for now see if i can find away of controling it, ill keep a log on my pc.
Thanks everyone.
Xalle
Jul 25 2008, 02:40 AM
Daniel.
Traffic jams... well for me, I would say that is quite simply out of your imagination. You see, empathy comes from feelings, emotions projected and picked up on. Desires and wishes, hates and fears, passions and sorrows. Empaths can feel those. Many many people have empathy for those in their family, especially mothers and fathers with their children. But beyond that, siblings, parents, if we are close, and share blood, we can, if we are an empath, pick up on things. If we are very lucky in life, we will find someone we love we can get in tune with. However this information comes from feelings.
Some people are not only empaths, but sensitives (just a term I am using because it helps seperate, run with me on this...) and can pick up on those past, their emotions and feelings and from that, can work out what has happened to them, how they feel about things now... again... this comes from feelings.
Some people have "spirit" guides" aparently, they come to them and give them information, why... I have no idea, and personally am very very sceptical about it, but thats by the by... either way, it seems to get your spirit guide you need to make contact with them, and you need to learn HOW to communicate with them, its a long process Im told, and not something that happens out of the blue, one day... just all of a sudden.
Now baring all this in mind, I have to ask myself, why, for what possible reason could or would you pick up on something like a traffic jam and the conclusion I have come to is this, you didnt. OR you thought you did, but your imagination and memory are playing tricks on you. There is NOTHING emotional, or empathetic about a traffic jam. As for a spirit guide... well... I have to say, I dont know that much about them but I very much doubt, someone is hanging about to give you road traffic updates! Seems like a little bit of a waste of the afterlife, wouldnt you think?
Im sorry, but what you are discribing is just smacks of bad memory and wishful thinking and maybe too much cheese before bed. I'd like to say its something more, but in my experience, it isnt.
Gawain
Jul 25 2008, 05:32 PM
Maybe the traffic jam thing is just this entity's way of demonstrating this ability to Daniel.
Lupine
Jul 25 2008, 05:45 PM
QUOTE(Daniel @ Jul 24 2008, 11:29 PM)
QUOTE(Lupine @ Jul 24 2008, 05:15 PM)
Based on two instances? I'd look for more mundane explanations first. Life is fairly random, if coincidences did not happen and things like this never happened, then I would be concerned.
No, its been happening for a least 13 months now. Sometimes its silly things like traffic jams, i will tell my mom on the way home from work not to go that way home, she gets there and its jamed. Theres too many instances to list, something tells me i can hear it. I can phyiscal hear it, but i dont know who and it wont tell me its name.
No I'm sorry you cannot possibly expect me, a biker of more then a fair few years of riding experience, who commutes everyday to work and back during rush hours to except that as some kind of proof of an ability?
It does not take anyone with any kind of ability to know the M25 is a pain in the arse. It does not take a genious to understand that riding up the M6 between Jct 6 and 10 is a nightmate. No entrails need reading to know the M5 is grid locked from time to time.
Thats just using basic common sence which we all have. That and listening to local radio when the traffic news is broadcast.
If that is your proof then what does that make me? I do that every day!
woozle
Jul 25 2008, 06:43 PM
Obviously few of you manage to pick up on crowd sentiment then. A large number of people all very pissed off sitting in their cars in a small area or in a narrow corridor will give off oddles of neg engergy. Maybe Daniel picks that up.
As Xalle said, "empathy comes from feelings, emotions projected and picked up on. Desires and wishes, hates and fears, passions and sorrows. Empaths can feel those". Add anger and frustration into the list too. So where is the difference in picking up the feelings from a crowded ice hockey stadium or from a traffic jam or from someone over the phone during a tarot reading?
I think it is often a bit too easy to reject stuff that you don't have experience of out of hand.
Lupine
Jul 25 2008, 06:57 PM
Sorry Woozle I don't buy it. Peek time traffic is very predictable, you only need to exercise a couple of brain cell to work it out.
Its not been proven that he is empathic........
woozle
Jul 26 2008, 06:33 AM
QUOTE(Lupine @ Jul 25 2008, 06:57 PM)
Sorry Woozle I don't buy it. Peek time traffic is very predictable, you only need to exercise a couple of brain cell to work it out.
Its not been proven that he is empathic........

You're talking to the converted. I look for proof for
everything however in the pagan witchy world none is forthcoming, ever. Why would we need proof for Daniel when none of those doing tarot and claiming to see auras, contact sprits etc. will be able to prove what they do?
Or is it that double standards apply?
Maybe Daniel doesn't listen to the radio or watch TV.
Lupine
Jul 26 2008, 08:21 AM
Double standards? Me? No. I question my self just as harshly and accept nothing on face value.
You do not need to watch the tv or listen to the radio to know that there are times of the day when traffic is going to be a pain in the butt. Listening to his mother complain about it from time to time would be a bit of a memory job and instill a pattern.
If you jump straight into a situation like this and say 'yes you are empathic/phychic/whatever' and the person goes off and spend hours, days, weeks, months, years developing their 'ability' but it turns out that its not an ability but just a case of serendierdy then either they will feel a tad of a dumb ass and become dis-illusioned and not looking for what they can do or they will just kick back and blame everyone else for just feeding their construct.
Its far better to rule out all the mundane possibilities first.
He's been given some damned good advice, perhaps he should take that advice then come back and report on how he's getting on.
Woozle, I've read alot of the posts on here and a fair bit of what you've written, that post is really not to your standard.
Daniel
Jul 26 2008, 09:54 AM
Lupine calm the heck down XD hehe
I dont think im anything. I would just like to know who tells me this. Id dont sense anything something tells me, i can hear it. I listen to Kerrang radio and watch the odd bit of TV not much though. Its hard to explain, but something tells me, it doesnt happen all the time but from time to time something tells me whats going to happen. I recieve like a image of the event, and everything ive been told and that i know, it all happens. Even right down to faces.
Normally the traffic in that area is very smooth and theres no holdups. That day i knew there'd be traffic before i knew there would be before i got into the car. Thats a poor example. Try explaining knowing that someone would be very ill 7 days before they go into hopsital, try explaining the huge fight outside my house that i already knew about the night before.
woozle i cant see auras. I see orbs of colours, still not sure what they are too be honest.
Can we get back onto the main topic, of what i may or may not be. Instead of telling me what i am and what im not. That wasnt the idea of this topic.
Lupine
Jul 26 2008, 10:03 AM
Calm down? That has to be the funniest things I've read in a while, if you knew me and knew where I'm at mentally these days, if I get any more laid back I'd fall over

Daniel, this is part of the topic, your asking what it is, we're exploring it both the mundane and the spiritual.
Calm down

Oh boy.
Daniel
Jul 26 2008, 10:05 AM
QUOTE(Lupine @ Jul 26 2008, 10:03 AM)
Calm down? That has to be the funniest things I've read in a while, if you knew me and knew where I'm at mentally these days, if I get any more laid back I'd fall over

Daniel, this is part of the topic, your asking what it is, we're exploring it both the mundane and the spiritual.
Calm down

Oh boy.
*pushes* Lupine, drat hes fell down. Erm he deaded?
I understand that, but i wouldnt post things like this on here if it was mundane.
Lupine
Jul 26 2008, 10:14 AM
But can you completely rule it out? I don't think you can yet.
Listen to the advise Opalmoon gave you to keep a journal about it all and take it from there.
CornishShaman
Jul 26 2008, 01:23 PM
Daniel, i think you have had some good advice offered here!
Opalmoons idea about keeping a journal is a good one!
I suspect most people have some sort of Sixth Sense that presents itself in some form, like Empathy. Sometimes we seem to be more tuned in, than at other times, this is probably especially true around people we attatch a lot of feelings towards, like lovers and family.
I beleive this is just one of those natural survival skills we used a lot more in the past!
If you truly are having a lot of Psychic experiences, it would certainly make sense to learn how to control them, by Grounding, etc, before they start to control you! Im sure there are a lot of people in Mental Health Institutes, because they didnt know what was happening to them or how to control these experiences!
You mention several times that you are told things by SOMEONE, in other words you hear a voice? Other than your own I assume?
If this is the case, there are 2 obvious explanations, one is best dealt with by talking to a Medical Professional.
No, Im not saying you are nuts, Im just saying, as some others have, that it is a good idea to check things out, so you can tick them off your list.
Especially if this sort of thing is hereditary in your family?
(I also look for the Mundane Answer, prior to looking for a more interesting one!)
Otherwise you will start to wonder at your own mental health eventually.
Ive had to do this myself before now!
Even in a worse case scenario, it is not always hard to control, if this is the situation.
The other situation, is to see a respected Psychic and ask for a reading an try and communicate with this Someone, who may well be a Spirit Guide!
Finding a respected Psychic though, may well prove the hardest thing to do!
Rhiannon
Jul 26 2008, 04:11 PM
Kerrang Radio has traffic every 15 minutes. Listen to it often enough and patterns emerge. The brain likes patterns. So the brain knows that if the traffic is behaving in a certain way in one part of the city and a certain traffic anouncement comes on, then the traffic will be a certain way in other parts of the city. It's not difficult, especially with Birmingham traffic which is incredibly predictable. (Five Ways snarled up, routes to M5 busy, M6 snarled up, everywhere busy, A38M snarled up, traffic runs free south of the City Centre). I always seek mundane answers before the spiritual/psychic ones.
And I'm a confirmed sceptic about psychism. Having learned what I've learned about people, anyone who was psychic would spend the whole time going 'YOU DID WHAT??!".
Comfrey
Jul 26 2008, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(CornishShaman @ Jul 26 2008, 01:23 PM)
If you truly are having a lot of Psychic experiences, it would certainly make sense to learn how to control them, by Grounding, etc, before they start to control you! Im sure there are a lot of people in Mental Health Institutes, because they didnt know what was happening to them or how to control these experiences!
Exactly!!
Which is why you need to check and double check and always look for "logical" answers first.
Also please remember that whether you want to develop this or not, it is essential that you get some help learning how to ground and protect because whether you want them or not it could be these things are happening to you regardless of your feelings.
If you dont learn to control these things then you can end up hounded and thats not a good experience
Moonhunter
Jul 26 2008, 06:40 PM
OK, let's try logic.
Either Daniel is getting messages or he isn't.
If he is, it may be easy for him to prove it to himself if he's honest. As suggested, he keeps a journal and logs every message, with time and date. Then, if he can, he checks on the results and notes whether or not the message was correct.
If he gets more right than wrong then we might think he's really off the scale in psychic terms. However, that's when the caveats creep in:
(1) how frequently does that event take place? Frequently enough that it's likely to occur anyway? In that case maybe Daniel has to also start noting when he thinks the event
might happen but he didn't get a message that it
would, and scoring that against the messages.
(2) he may not find out if something happened. For example (taking the traffic one) you tell someone not to use such and such a route because it's jammed. They use a different route and you never find out if you were right or not unless the jam hits the news and you're scouring the news for the information. No real solution to that one.
Now, say the notes prove to him that his messages are right. The next problem is: is whatever's supplying this information completely reliable? It's not going to matter an awful lot about traffic jams, but you might get a scenario where choices have to be made: "X will win the lottery but he'll have a fatal accident if he goes to claim his winnings."
It seems to me that
if Daniel is receiving information and
if that information is delivering the goods (at least mostly) it is a tad important to find out where it's coming from and how reliable that source might prove to be.
However, first things first: which is back to the journal.
Daniel
Jul 26 2008, 09:13 PM
Thankyou moonhunter. Im more interested in finding out who its coming from. Ive bought a nice book, (dragon slate book) and im going to log everything that i get told or happens or weird stuff down from this down onwards.
Hyppydylan
Jul 27 2008, 05:06 PM
QUOTE(Daniel @ Jul 26 2008, 08:13 PM)
Thankyou moonhunter. Im more interested in finding out who its coming from. Ive bought a nice book, (dragon slate book) and im going to log everything that i get told or happens or weird stuff down from this down onwards.
Hi Daniel,
Might I also suggest, if it's feasible, to get someone else to witness your journal entries prior to the events.
This would be a way to have proof that you're not subconsciously 'altering' the events to fit the prediction.
This happens an awful lot to people who visit 'psychics'. They forget the stuff predicted that doesn't happen and 'make fit' stuff that is similar to the predictions.
I'm not suggesting for one minute that you don't hear these things or have these feelings but this way you'll know for certain that it is a true 'hit' and not a 'make fit'.
As was already stated (by, I think, Lupine) James Randi has a $1 million prize for anyone that can prove psychic ability and you could end up a very rich lad.
Now, for the matter of where these messages are coming from.
Does it really matter at the moment?
I can understand your wanting to know, but, for the moment it seems that as they aren't willing to let you know so wouldn't it be better to accept them and wait?
I also think that it would be a good thing to learn how to switch it off and how to protect yourself too as you don't know who or what this entities intentions are.
Sorry rambled a bit there
Mr.PPP
Jul 28 2008, 05:47 AM
All good advice, Dylan!
Gawain
Jul 28 2008, 02:03 PM
Unfortunately Randi's criteria for amounts to "proof" are so unattainable that you'd have more chance of "proving" that the pope is jewish.
Lupine
Jul 28 2008, 05:50 PM
That's not actually fair, he's applying a set of rules which anyone looking at this independently would apply.
woozle
Jul 28 2008, 05:56 PM
QUOTE(Gawain @ Jul 28 2008, 02:03 PM)
Unfortunately Randi's criteria for amounts to "proof" are so unattainable that you'd have more chance of "proving" that the pope is jewish.
Jeez, you mean the pope
isn't jewish??!!
Lupine
Jul 28 2008, 08:12 PM
Its his money, hey can set whatever rules he likes. But then if someone had such abilities they would know exactly how to prove themselves.
Hyppydylan
Jul 29 2008, 01:17 AM
QUOTE(Gawain @ Jul 28 2008, 01:03 PM)
Unfortunately Randi's criteria for amounts to "proof" are so unattainable that you'd have more chance of "proving" that the pope is jewish.
That's not quite right, Gawain.
Randi, his people, independent observers, the psychic and their people all agree what the tests will be in advance.
If the one to be tested feels they are unattainable they are free to say so and publicise the fact.
The only real criteria for proof are that the result should be above what statistical chance would call for and that they cannot be reproduced by a stage magician or mentalist (like Derren Brown for instance).
If someone like Daniel was to have a witnessed journal of his sentience/audience that gave unadulterated predictions that subsequently came true then he could well be in line for this type of testing and therefore up for the big money win.
A few have tried with tests agreed by them and suited to their style of work and all have failed.
The charlatan Sylvia Browne, after initially accepting the challenge live on air, has subsequently backed off from it claiming 'other commitments'.
The Baby Whisperer bloke (whose name escapes me right now) has also taken the test for a series on channel Five (which they, and I quote, "Haven't managed to find a time slot for yet") and he bombed out abysmally.
(I could've predicted that one)
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