What do folks think about healing - as in full on total miraculous physical healing? YOu know blind seeing, wheelchairs left etc?

I ask as have been thinking about disease and death and how to attempt to reconcile this with my spirituality. I used to believe in a god who could heal 100% but often didn't (why not? why not?)

A friend of mine form uni days died today of liver cancer (only 33 how the fuck is that fair!?)
Just wondered about healing in that context.
Thoughts please.....

(Sorry for any rawness here - news of his death only came today!)

Hi Eagledance, Im very sorry for your lose! your right its not fair!
As a Healer, obviously I had to answer your Post, what use would I be otherwise?
As for the 100% miracle cure stuff, Ive only seen it on those awful Evangelical Christian Channels and 'NO' I dont beleive it!
Cant explain the 'whys?' No one can, can only offer sympathy! I can say sometimes death is the best cure, if the person is suffering and in great pain and nothing else can be done. But, its still not fair and still bloody well hurts those left behind!
I doubt that was helpful, but heres hoping!

Hi eagle. Sorry you lost your friend. It's a really horrible feeling.
I on't believe in miraculous wash and go type healing though i have seen a faith healer cure my mate's knee from a footy injury with two sittings but i do believe in more long term miraculous cures. We have a japanese naturopath (?) Tamio Yagisawa here in Turin who, unless it was an amazing coincidence, cured my friend's husband of leuchemia. From a week at most to live (the hospital sent him home to die in peace) to no trace only two months later. 15 years on he's still going strong and is a right bastard too. He cured him by diet alone which though not faith healing is pretty damn drammatic. The hospital thought they'd got the wrong x-rays when he went back as there was no trace of anything.
I went to him when i started coughing up blood and swooning all over the place and the docs said 'mmmmn, most probably cancer', gave me various pills and stuff and lined me up for broncoscopies and so on. I never did find out what it was as the naturopath gave me a rigid diet and one week later i went from a cup full of blood a day to perfect health. I know how i felt and that for me was a miracle cure. There is also an element of faith in it becase you have to believe n him enough to give up trad med. A student i had once who was losing her husband to cancer (why is it always cancer???) started with the naturopath and got more of less immediate results but then after pressure fromthe med profession bottled out (understandably) and he popped his clogs a little while after.
I have often wondered, and stupidly worried about, what i will do when i get cancer too (as an ex-smoker who used to live in the middle of Turin i have no illusions about my end). Will i have the courage to trust one man or simply put my faith in the med profession?
I have a feeling that we heal our own bodies and that sometimes it is just someone else who manages to do something, anything, to stimulate your own healing. So in some circumstances lourdes or the ganges may actually work.

Eagledance I'm very sorry about your friend. I don't believe we have the answers to the whys and hows in this existence. What I can tell you is my mums experience with my brother. My brother died 57 years ago and pain is still raw for my mum today. The birth of my brother was extremely difficult, took 3 days and ended with my brother being severely brain damaged as a consequence to the ignorance and lack of experience of the nursing staff. Mum nearly died in the process and dad told me my brother was such a mess from the birth they didn't let mum see him for a week! He lived 9 months, 9 very difficult months as because of the brain damage he was spastic. He had horrendous fits and couldn't feed properly, there where many problems and at 9 months old his little body could take no more and he died. (This is making me cry now in the telling!). About 20 years ago mum and dad where at a meeting with a medium who they did not know, this lady came to my mum and told her all about the experience's with my brother and then she 'channelled' him and he thanked my mum, she had agreed to bring him into the world while both she and he where still in spirit, there was a reason for his short life and he thanked her as he knew how distressing it had been for her.
I have in recent months come across a theory that we are sent back here to experience certain things to teach us lessons on our higher journey in that 'other' existence. Sometimes illness and early death are part of that lesson.
I am still thinking about all this myself, but it does make a certain amount of sense where it seems there is no sense. I'm not too sure why I have been led to share this with you all, its been very painful to recall, I just hope in some small way it helps.
Regards Gina.

I was diagnosed (as many of you will already know) with bowel cancer, Stage 3, and am currently undergoing five weeks of daily radiotherapy and chemotherapy.

I have seen some snake oild "cures" that I personally found laughable, but like Marto, these also infuriate me. Not everyone is as cynical, and many people with this disease are extremely vulnerable to all and any promises of a "cure".

I could put my faith in God if I were a xian, but I'm not. I have put my faith where it has always worked for me, and am also following the consultant's advice and treatments to the letter. In addition, I am receiving positive wishes and also prayers, plus Reiki from many wonderful people - some whom I have met, some who are only names. Their faiths vary from Christianity to Islam to Paganism in various forms.
Their thoughts and efforts are greatly appreciated and valued.

Now, here's the rub - I am a bit of a medical anomaly. Chemo greatly reduces the red cell count and I can't take iron orally, so was told (especially as i also have pernicious anaemia) that I'd end up needing a blood transfusion during the reatments. The oppposite has proved true! Yesterday my blood count stood at 14.3. If it dropped to 10, they would begin to worry. Iasked out of curiosity what it was when I began the chemo. The nurse had to double check - it was 14. So effectively I have not had a drop, but an INCREASE!

I've lost a lot of weight, but feel fine apart from a couple of bearable symptoms. They are aslo surprised I haven't got any visible radiation burns. Why? Who knows!

Either you are an extrordinary case hun or perhaps all the positive energy reiki ect is having an effect. Heres hoping you stay reasonably good throughout

Miraculous healing? On the whole no, I don't believe in it. I do accept however that the human mind is a complex and powerful thing and to quote TP for a moment 'some people will get better from anything'

I do believe in the power of healing, we have to believe in something in this sh*t world! If there is no faith at all, well we may as well end it here and now, 'cause what's it all about, what's it all for, the suffering we do on this planet has to have some purpose and the healing we are sometimes allowed must have a reason! Tell me different, if you know something I don't then tell 'cause to tell the truth there are times when it all seems to get too much.

Thanks for your thoughts and answers guys - appreciated!
ConrishShaman - not getting at you just that you answred in the cntext of a healer - if you don't believe in 100% total healing, what is healing then? What do you do?

This is only my personal opinion and many healers out there may or may not agree - so don't shoot me feathers off

No decent healer (imo) would ever make the claims that they can 'cure' something. I would suggest that instead, they open up the recipients own healing abilities from within themselves. This can be done by all manner of channelling, energy manipulation, whatever you like to call it. The healer can invoke feelings of calm, move energy around the body and guide the recipient on their road to recovery or acceptance, but ultimately, the actual healing comes from within the recipient's self.

That's my take on healing.

Barnx

Weel said that wumman! (& hence my tale sharing.)

Eagledance, I'm truley sorry for your loss sweetheart, I wish I had more answers for you

Tas, Hi hon, it's ages since I've been on here and was both shocked and uplifted by your news all at the same time. You rock wumman!! Keep up the positive action. My thoughts are with you

Barnxx

ED, can I just say, I am really truly sorry for your loss. A terrible thing, at such a young age

Re healing - I believe that miracles can happen, but that we mortals are limited in what we can do - healing in the way you describe can be effected, or directed by the gods, but I am unsure as to whether we can do it alone.

I'm with Barnowl. I think a positive attitude and knowing you are loved must help a great deal. I don't really believe in miracle cures and faith healing, and I'm certain there are a lot of charlatans out there who prey on the vulnerable.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend Eagledance. Cancer sucks !



Because, Tas, as Barnowl says, you rock and you're going to kick this cancer out on its arse !!! I'm glad the treatment isn't too awful for you at the moment

Tee he!

Hi Eagledance, personally I have only ever sought to rebalance peoples energy, by doing that I often help to Heal them.
How? we are all energy, illness, disease, etc, in my mind is caused by some form of imbalance within our energy matrix. BUT, I only seek to help, not cure, the Client has their part to play to, it is a partnership. Does that make sense?
In order to totally cure a thing, the thing that caused the problem in the first place, must also be removed, a Healer cant do that usually, thats usually more to do with the Clients life.
An example might be, stress, caused by a hated job. I as a Healer can help to releive the stress, I can also advise the Client to find a new job. But the Client must do that themselves, to remove what causes the stress.
Is it possible to Heal 100%, yes it probably is, is it possible to do it in one hit, like on TV? Throw away the crutches and walk type thing, no, I dont beleive it is!

Im not sure I can answer your question, not to your satisfaction at this point. I know your not having a go at me or picking me out as im a Healer, I also know you are hurting and angry. That is natural and part of the grieving process, which in itself is also part of the Healing process. I hope this helps?
Best wishes and sorry once again for your lose!

Empathy happening...

I trruly believe "my" cancer (aka "Bastard") was created as a direct result of stress. Long tale. Not the place. But he's spot on. (IMO.)

It's difficult, ED. Like CS, I believe many ailments are caused or aggravated by stress, but it's not straightforward and IMO no one can say that stress is the sole cause of all ailments.

To see how stress affects people, watch what happens when someone under a lot of stress in their job takes a holiday - once the body has a chance to relax, the person is likely to catch a virus. The stress actively keeps the minor ailments at bay whilst the pressure is on. But too much stress can cause nasty stuff, both physically and psychologically.

Another complicating factor is that different people can take differing amounts of stress. Some of us are adrenaline junkies at work; some may be the same in all aspects of their lives.

Liver cancer is one of the really bad ones. Years back, a colleague whose wife and two kids at uni I knew, was diagnosed with it and died within three months. It's shocking. As to why some people die young and others don't - it's one of the big questions that have troubled people of many faiths.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

I don't believe in miracles. My mother goes to this happy-clappy church and they do the whole miracle healing thing. Funny how you never hear about the results in the paper or the Lancet or where ever - if someone was totally cured of an seemingly incurable disease doctors and scientists would be all over it trying to find out why. I remain dubious.

However, that aside, there is a lot to be said for a positive mental outlook (not always easy) and some healings do work but I think the results would vary from person to person.



I don't think the world is shit. Just some people in it. As for what's it all about - we humans want there to be a reason but I personally don't believe there is a reason. We are here because of evolution, as the world is a result of the evolution of the sun and so on. Some people think that a universe with no reason is a bleak scenario but I don't - if you think about all those combinations of atoms, gasses and matter combining over aeons of time to form the world and the combinations of atoms and energy that combined to make life and how that life evolved over the billions of years to become us, I think that is awe-inspiring.

I too believe that if the mind is strong and that you have a positive outlook, this contributes greatly to the healing process.




I used to wonder why we were here, then I just stopped wondering and got on with life! I think that life is what you make it. You can try and make the best of it or you can just drag your heels through it.

My grandfather used to say, after getting through WWI, life is something what happens to you - you don't make it it just happens: it's how you react to it that is important.

I don't do a lot of healing but if I do I never try to tackle anything major, in fact I don't try to tackle anything at all. I work for an improvement in the persons health, only a small one, the trauma of a sudden cure can be as devastating as the original disease, if not more so. If you make a small improvement and keep working to reinforce that, you can build up a powerful momentum that can help roll back the disease, but even if you don't, if all you achieve is to get the person some comfort or a bit more time, then it's still worth the effort.

1st, i'm really sorry for the loss of your friend, i know its still raw and hurting..

i have this faith, i have to, as someone says, have something and it works for me..
miraculous healing, do i believe it "Can" happen.. yes..

I still have yet to figure out why i have this horrible RA (rhematoid disorder, extreme fatigue, achy joints, feeling likei have the flu all the time)..
very sucky disease.. Yet... and i think he likes to keep private, I have had some wonderful healing sessions.

Recently, on my first trip, in over 5 yrs, i went to get a massage, who also did
Reiki treaments, and accupunture. He did a fab massage, also used his feet!!
He did some adjustments and had me say some affirmations.
(I'm big into affirmations)..

After I left, i was going to go to a spirtiual class, but felt sick.. and realized that all these toxins had been released thru the massage.. I also loved that he took time, to help give me a list of things not to eat..
I wish he were closer (3,000 miles away) lol.. or I can find someone else to regularly get help from..

My problem is its hard to continually ask people for help. when its a constant illness. and sorry i'm going on..

but i have to have faith, that theres other things out there, besides
my 15,000 dollar Infusion.. yet 15,000 buck and loads and loads of meds..

ii'm rambling.. , but miracles yes, i believe..

Personally I would not rule anything out because I do not believe that what people commonly think composes reality has much foundation.

Regards, Peter

I well understand the rawness. We've been through all that with my sister who was diagnosed age 14 with a pretty horrific genetic disease (neurofibromatosis type 2 if anyone wants to know, brain and spinal cord tumours, deafness, loss of balance, eye problems, facial paralysis and so on). She's also a Christian who believes in healing. I don't know how she makes sense of it, I mean, I know what she says, but I still don't get it.

I don't know what I believe. I've seen and heard some pretty convincing stuff. Guy in our church went out to the church in Nigeria where they have incredible healings going on. They insist on proper medical documentation before and after, not like Benny Hinn and his ilk. HIV and tumours disappearing and so on. A lady was brought in who had been in labour for days, he just gestured with his hand and out came the baby.

I did have an experience after my last baby was born (warning childbirth details, Eagle since you're a biologist I assume you can take it ), I had a homebirth and the midwives were stressing that the placenta was taking too long to come out and threatening me with an ambulance (only because they didn't know how to do a natural third stage but anyway). I was still a Christian then so I said to my husband, "Can't you just pray it out?" so he said "Come out in the name of Jesus", immediately there was a loss of blood which normally happens when it detaches, I sat down and it came straight out. I haven't worked out how to make sense of that yet. Maybe we just put some energy out there or something. Or maybe it was a coincidence.

Then again there's times like when my husband asked for prayer from a visiting preacher for a knee injury, it was already basically recovered but he was concerned about getting it back to normal strength so he could run again. The guy misunderstood and prayed then got him to run round the room. Everyone was clapping and cheering. Hubby didn't like to say that he could have run round the room before he was prayed for . Might have looked like genuine healing to those watching but hubby never noticed any change.

I'm sorry about your friend.

First I am sorry for your loss - it is hard when someone close who is much the same age as you are dies - esspecally when you are both feeling still young and invicable.
Cancer is sometimes a real nasty disease and deep organ cancers are still real killers - hard to diagnose, hard to treat, and far too able to spread and give terrible symptoms.

Anyway to the healing question...

I suspect it is possible to effect a total 'miricle' cure, but I also suspect this is very very rare, involves a lot of work, energy and effort etc from all parties - the healer, the Divine, and the paitent and a fair bit of right place right time kind of luck.
I don't think this kind of thing happens on TV at the whim of any old happy clappy preacher. And I suspect it is out of most peoples abilities no matter what they claim.

What I belive is much more achivable, is slower, more 'mundane' healing. More an easing of symptoms, a strenghting of the clients self so that thier body can work better on healing itself, just spending time, listening, careing allowing that destressing to take place can have a healing effect. There is power in self confidence, belief and positive attitudes. And never underestimate the power of placebo!

I generally don't do healings for humans - mostly lack of opotunity (being private solitery about my beliefs) and lack of personal interest and confedance to want to deal with humanity... also not sure how my technique would transfer to a human - but I do heal critters.
With them it is first a matter of gaining trust, proving to them that this scary human is not going to hurt them, soft words, correct body language, gentle touch, non threating eye contact and so on. After that it gets more difficalt to explain in words - but I sort of become still and 'feel' the animal, 'see' patterns, light within them, with in me. Then I sort of 'nudge' the lines, the light, the patterns, smoothing them out, re-enforcing the good ones, disolving the blocks, allowing 'flow', infusing strenght, energy into imune systems and any other place that 'feels' like it needs it.
When I worked at a wildlife hospital I got a bit of a reputation for being excellent at handling and calming the flighty and scared beasties, for spotting sick animals before they got too bad to help and for pulling critical cases through. It was very rewarding to see the beasties heal quickly and well and recived the slightly bemused praise of my collegues.
I just had to be careful as I found doing too much knackered me out... but I belive both the rate of healing and the effect on me ment that 'something' was going on.

Be bright,be bold
Fillionous