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warlok
I have been doing my usual noseing around the internaet and came across many pages that link the story of jesus to a large number of pagan origins amung them the story of horus. it clames that there is a crusifiction story of horus but i cant find one. it also clames a link to buddah with regard to the vergin birth etc. howerver i would dispute the link to buddah because the story of gatoma buddah who was the first buddah doesnt have a lot of these links im not saying there isnt any but it seems like they trying to make it fit with there dissproving of the existence of jesus.

I am confused about horus being fused with ra and how the astrological movements during the period of the winter solstice and the dying of the 3 day death of the sun and the reberth of the sun on the 25 of dec link to horus my understanding of horus is that he is god of the sky and horizon and son of osirus and isis niether of whom i have so far read are linked to the sun ( although osirus is linked to the apis bull a solar deity) isis osirus and horus are my patrons and i just want to make sure im doing things the right way. I do also honor the other egyptian gods as well as many others i just want to make sence of the egyptian pantheon.

Dose anyone also worship the egyption pantheon ? how do they understand these stories?

has any one got any answers to the suposed link to xtianity and where i could find a more detaled story of horus to clarify this?

also how is hrous linked to the sun? the god image with the fulcon head and wadjet solar disc i see as ra is this also the image of ra-haracty ra who is horus of the horizon?

all ideas welcome.
Athena
Hi Warlock

I have provided links below to sites that may be of use to you. I have found them both quite helpful:

Egyptian Mythology

Egyptian texts


Hope these help smile.gif
Moonhunter
This is one of my main sources of things Kemetic.
warlok
why couldnt they keep things simple ? so frustrating.
Moonhunter
No, they don't! laugh.gif

One of my deadest friends is Kemetic - has been since she was a teenager - and she and I have been talking about her religion for years. I still don't understand it. blink.gif
warlok
QUOTE(Moonhunter @ Sep 6 2008, 06:00 PM)
No, they don't!  laugh.gif

One of my deadest friends is Kemetic - has been since she was a teenager - and she and I have been talking about her religion for years. I still don't understand it.  blink.gif
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what is her view on the greek inerpreation of the old egyptian gods? like the greek way of worshiping isis and her family for example.
Julai
Ooh, Moonhunter, I thought you were talking about necromancy there... cool.gif
Moonhunter
QUOTE(warlok @ Sep 6 2008, 06:49 PM)
what is her view on the greek inerpreation of the old egyptian gods? like the greek way of worshiping isis and her family for example.
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From memory, she doesn't have a problem with it. She once saw Isis dance with a god she didn't recognise, who, from the description, was one of my patrons. A lot of polytheists meet or have relationships with gods who aren't part of their 'own' religion. So, if some ancient Greeks knew and had a relationship with Isis, or other Kemetic gods, who are we to say they shouldn't - or should have done things 'differently' in some form.

In the end, the gods will choose who they have relationships with, and how. If that relationship takes a different form with different peoples, that's up to them. smile.gif

QUOTE(Julai)
Ooh, Moonhunter, I thought you were talking about necromancy there...


Heh. We're all subject to inadvertent worship of the 'puter pixies, Julai! laugh.gif
thelemite
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As Horus is God of the sky,it can be assumed that the sun(and the moon)are contained within him.It was believed that they were each one of his eyes and that they traversed when he,a falcon,flew across the sky.

The Greek transliteration of Ra-Hoor-Khuit is Ra-Herakhty meaning "Ra who is Horus of the horizons",showing the two as manifestations of the singular solar force.

As a thelemite,I believe Ra-Hoor -Khuit to be the God responsible for the overseeing of te development of mankind during the current aeon,the aeon of Horus,the crowned and conquering child.So yes in a way I do worship the Egyptian pantheon.
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warlok
QUOTE(thelemite @ Sep 7 2008, 11:52 AM)
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As Horus is God of the sky,it can be assumed that the sun(and the moon)are contained within him.It was believed that they were each one of his eyes and that they traversed when he,a falcon,flew across the sky.

The Greek transliteration of Ra-Hoor-Khuit is Ra-Herakhty meaning "Ra who is Horus of the horizons",showing the two as manifestations of the singular solar force.

As a thelemite,I believe Ra-Hoor -Khuit to be the God responsible for the overseeing of te development of mankind during the current aeon,the aeon of Horus,the crowned and conquering child.So yes in a way I do worship the Egyptian pantheon.
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could it be said that Horus is the manifestation of the movement of the sun across the sky and Ra- herakhty is the divine energy of the sun ? almost like they have shift work in the care of the sun lol biggrin.gif
thelemite
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The two are one and the same.
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warlok
QUOTE(thelemite @ Sep 7 2008, 12:34 PM)
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The two are one and the same.
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then that would make RA the son of ISIS and OSIRUS ?! (hence my confusion...) blink.gif huh.gif but on some level i almost agree with you...i think... wink.gif unsure.gif
thelemite
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If,as the Book of the Law tells us,Horus is the child of Nuit and Hadit,and Horus being Ra-Hoor-Khuit,Ra-Herakhty etc,then it is possible according to certain myths,that Nuit is the mother of Ra aswell as Horus.
Nuit was said to give birth to Ra each morning,the pink dawn sky being the blood of his birth.
This is as close to explaining this confusion as I can get.
Of course,this theory depends on the acceptance of the Book of the Law,which I assume the majority on here do not.
If anyone can offer another theory I would like to hear it.
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Moonhunter
Was Ra the father of Aset?

If so (and I'm not muddling one god with another!) then does that not make him the grandfather of Horus?
thelemite
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What one has to understand is that at certain points in history,the priesthood would embellish the influence and reputation of the deities to strengthen their own standing.This being so,contradictions and confuson are bound to arise.
If Horus and Ra are actually one,as theorised in earlier posts,then Aset is the mother of Ra.
Horus and Ra were actually merged late on in Egyptian dynastic times,and so we have now the contradictory myths of today.
I don't think we need to concern ourselves as to what is the more accurate theory,and that is all we have,theories.
I think it is what feels right to us as individuals that matters.
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Moonhunter
QUOTE(thelemite @ Sep 7 2008, 07:51 PM)
I think it is what feels right to us as individuals that matters.
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Ah, but I also happen to think it matters what the gods themselves think. tongue.gif
warlok
QUOTE(thelemite @ Sep 7 2008, 07:51 PM)
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What one has to understand is that at certain points in history,the priesthood would embellish the influence and reputation of the deities to strengthen their own standing.This being so,contradictions and confuson are bound to arise.
If Horus and Ra are actually one,as theorised in earlier posts,then Aset is the mother of Ra.
Horus and Ra were actually merged late on in Egyptian dynastic times,and so we have now the contradictory myths of today.
I don't think we need to concern ourselves as to what is the more accurate theory,and that is all we have,theories.
I think it is what feels right to us as individuals that matters.
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on your last point well said, with regard to the book of the law i've never read it, is it one of Crawely's books? also i have read in history books on egypt and its religious past and it seems to say that dogma to the ancient kemetic people was not as important as ritual observance. It seems to me that the amalgomations and fusions of gods were political moves, much like the absorbtion of pagan practices in early chritianity and semetic religious structures.
thelemite
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Liber AL was dictated to Crowley in Cairo in 1904ev.
I believe it to be the singular most important book relevant to this aeon.
You are bang on regarding the politics of ancient Egypt.
I believe that ritual observance is still the most important point today.
Be free and do what thou wilt.
It does not matter if your magickal intent is directed to goddess A or to God B as long as it is directed in a rightful manner and with just intent.
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panthertracks
Innana is the Deity that that I feel a strong bond with.
warlok
QUOTE(panthertracks @ Sep 8 2008, 05:02 PM)
Innana is the Deity that that I feel a strong bond with.
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I like her too i dont know alot about her but she does give a feeling of a loving mother to many children. smile.gif
Moonhunter
Isn't she Sumerian? smile.gif
panthertracks
Yes...Sumerian goddess of sexual love, fertility, and warfare
Firemage
QUOTE(thelemite @ Sep 7 2008, 06:51 PM)
What one has to understand is that at certain points in history,the priesthood would embellish the influence and reputation of the deities to strengthen their own standing.This being so,contradictions and confuson are bound to arise.
If Horus and Ra are actually one,as theorised in earlier posts,then Aset is the
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You also have to take into consideration that the name Horus was used for several different deities.

For example there is a bas-relief in the temple at Kom Ombo that has the Pharaoh being anointed by Thoth and Horus. In attendance are some unnamed goddesses and another Horus - Horus of Kom Ombo! It is clear to the temple builders that the 2 gods were separate entities.

My guide (who was not long out of university studying Egyptology) told us that there were at least 25 different gods called Horus, but even more for Hathor!

He's putting forward a paper suggesting that the name Horus is more akin to a title or principle of some sort, the way Maat is the principle of cosmic law.

It's things like this that makes me love but sometimes loathe being on a (mostly) Egyptian path!
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