Greetings all. As previously stated in my introduction, my name is Celtic King and I have been a crop circle researcher for 2 years now. The crop circle phenomenon is a world-wide phenomenon, but here in the UK, in particular southern England, we are privileged to be witnessing some of the most remarkable, astonishing events in our time. There is a genuine mystery here which often is ignored by the media and dismissed as a load of 'crop'... and rarely does the media give the subject the justice it deserves. CCs have been arriving in abundance during the summer months every year, and as each year passes they become more complex, more imaginative, more 'meaningful' and more unexplained. For over 30 years, since we have become aware and 'recognised' the phenomenon, researchers are still no where near to solving what or who makes them, how they are made and where they come from. The subject captures everything that we dont know, the paranormal, ufos...aliens, anything and everything that we can class or understand as being 'UNKNOWN' or unexplained. In recent years, there has been a lot of PAGAN symbolism depicted in formations, many of the formations arrive in and around our ancient sites, in particular AVEBURY. Avebury seems to be at the heart of the CC phenomenon. There have been some spectacular formations appearing around there. Beautiful. I feel certain folk in the pagan community are surely aware of crop circles and have been studying or following them. One of my objectives here is to hopefully communicate with others and find out what the CCs mean to them. There is of course the 'otherside' to this mystery, and that is one of deceit and deception. As we know humans can make CCs, but there has never been the evidence required to substanciate that humans are making them all. There is often precise geometry and very complex patterns that would surely take teams of 'hoaxers' hours and hours to make, in the cover of darkness, without getting caught, often in wide open areas, in all weathers, without making a sound or leaving a trace. There are 'groups' of people who claim they make them, they even have their own web-sites. Often the hoaxers 'muddy the waters' of on-going research, by making false claims to 'genuine' formations etc.. this has resulted in a deep division within the CC community, those on one side can easily dismiss these claims and believe the large majority of formations each season are real, with a handful of 'hoaxed' formations, which are often easy to identify. Those on the otherside have the opposite view, in that they believe a large majority of them are in fact hoaxed, with very few (in some cases ANY) genuine ones. When challenged by researchers from the 'believers' side, they never provide the 'evidence' necessary to prove a large majority each year are indeed hoaxed, in effect whats happening here is they are 'consumed' by the 'hoaxers' and the skeptics' and what they would wish them to believe. Right this will do for now, what I really would like to know is what people in the pagan community are thinking about this mystery... any thoughts and ideas? Cheers!

Interesting post

I am one of those who admires crop circles and thinks what fabulous patterns they can be, truly amazing

But I do think that a huge number of them, especially the more complex ones are man made. Some can be formed by weather conditions others (just a few) I am not so sure about. I tend to think of them in a similiar way to ley lines, they can be interpreted as how people see fit.

However, I don't see crop circles as having any connection to Paganism, anymore than I would align them to christainity or buddism.

CC's have often peeked my curiousity. I know from a friend who got big into the research of it all that it quite often isn't the local farmer as they are normally the ones most pissed about the circles. How to decern a hoax from a real one, honestly I wouldn't be able to tell. But the formations sometimes, just so interesting...

But as WW said about CC's not really being aligned to a religion specically Celtic, you made a comment about their being pagan symbolism. Like what?

You certainly seem to know your subject matter Celtic King.

Like Weatherwitch and Lynae I hadn'd really considered them in relation to Paganism. The only CC's that I've seen having Pagan or Occult symbolisms have been on Led Zep LP covers. Having said that it isn't a subject that I've looked at in depth.

I have to confess to being something of a cynic. Yes CC's are often perfectly geometrically formed and in their own way "beautiful" but I havn't seen any yet that couldn't be formed using a few posts and lengths of baling twine. If there is a dedicated group of "hoaxers" out there I don't see why they couldn't achieve some of the formations that we see even under the conditions that you describe.

If some or even all are genuine then the theories on their formation are, as you say, legion, from UFO's to Weather.

If there is a Pagan connection, then that suggests either direct physical intervention by a deity or someone working on their behalf. If we are to suggest an alien intelligence/Pagan link then that would suggest an Erik Danneken scenario of extra terrestrial intelligence linked to ancient gods and beliefs within ancient cultures and a re-emergence of these "comunications" by the ET's concerned. If that's the case then I can only presume that the ET's haven't been keeping tabs on human sociology for the last couple of thousand years, otherwise they would surely "make contact" in a way more suited to modern human society and culture.

As I say, for me the jury is very much "still out", I do have a considerable level of cynism on the subject but maintain an open mind. You might call me a CC agnostic.

I obviously don't know the subject matter in the way that you do. With regard to the possible Pagan link and the debate over authenticity and origin; please feel free to educate us further.

Last summer I witnessed the formation of a couple 6ft diameter dust circles in a newly harrowed field near the Bedford bypass. There are a couple of high-banked footbridges over the road at that point and I think the wind is funnelled through across the field at an angle. I found it very interesting, as did a couple of other drivers who stopped on the hard shoulder to have a look.

So I've no doubt that in similar situations circles can be formed in grass or crops. That is the limit of my knowledge on the matter, but I must say that, uneducated on the subject as I am, I regard the larger complex patterns as just man made works of art.

Currently my thoughts on paranormal, or extraterrestrial origins can be summed up in two words .. 'oh pleeees'

I am willing to be shown otherwise. CK you say you have been researching crop circles for two years, what do you mean by 'researching'.

Does your research lead you any conclusion as to ‘why’ crop circles are constructed if not by people, and why, even to the casual reader there appears to be a pattern of development from simple plank and rope trampling circle to the more complex?

Why would anyone seek to connect the destruction of a food crop to Paganism?

Are you a reader of New Scientist?


dav

Well while I accept that 'some' circles can occur via the actions of the weather and perhaps some sort of cereal lurgie, I don't think that Nature can make claims to some of the more complex and geometric patterns that pop up.

My own feelings on the matter are that most are made by artificial means, and by that I mean students with more time on their hands than is good for them.

However I am always willing to reappraise my beliefs should evidence be presented.

But pagan significance - not that I'm aware of.

Kev

See now if I was an alien life form I would probably make the CC's and then laugh at how the 'humans' deal with them.

Sorry, my sad and slightly weird sense of humour kicked in

Well......

I can't claim to have much knowledge of crop circles but in my opinion, I would agree with what has already been said. I think that the vast majority of them are man made - either students/farmers/hoaxers - but again, there are always the few that could be something else.

I have never heard of a pagan relationship to these circles - tho I would like to know why you suggested this?

I have to confess to being a huge believer in aliens and other life forms in the universe - I just can not fathom how in the vastness of the skies we can be the only intelligent life form out there and if anybody wanted to argue that these 'unexplained CCs' were extra terrestrial in origin I would not knock them for that. I have done a great deal of research during my student days on alien subjects (MIB/Abduction/Roswell/UFOs etc etc) but didn't really go into crop circles - perhaps because I dismissed them as not being of great importance as they are so commonly proved to be 'fake'.

Great topic tho and interested to hear what you will make of our responses.

WW:Crop circles DO have a very strong connection to Paganism, in my opinion, more so than any other 'religion' we know of "out there". I haved researched all possible explanations as to who or what makes crop circles. The Weather can be safely 'ruled out', wind 'vortex' theory was considered 'plausible' during the 80s and early 90s by researchers including Dr. Terence Meaden, because often crop formations were simple circular formations. Over the last decade or so we have come to see incredibly complex patterns in our fields... The wind cannot 'make' these formations, unless it is guided by a supreme intelligent force.

Here's a couple of formations that I think link this phenomenon to our PAGAN roots..

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2003/uk2003bk.jpg

Heres another 'Pentacle' star near Avebury...

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2003/uk2003bh2.jpg

Heres the Celtic symbol for ALDER, also OESTRE. In Celtic Astrology, he is the Battle King.

This formation arrived in Bedfordshire....

http://home.cropcircleresearch.com/cc-photos/uk2003bg.jpg

Lots of Cresent Moons in this one...

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2003/uk2003aq.jpg

Celtic Knots

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002af.jpg

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002by.jpg

Tree of Life?

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002bo2.jpg

How about this one.... Made with boards and rope?

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002br.jpg

Ribbons.... this formation is a HUGE and its a beauty...

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002ba.jpg

Over 700 circles in this one....

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2001/uk2001df.jpg

Human Face?

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2001/uk2001dn.jpg

Whats this all about? A communication from ET?

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/cgi-bin/CCdb2?d=uk2001dm

Perhaps probably the most significant formation ever.. and my favourite.

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002dl.jpg


Cheers

Great pics Celtic King!

After seeing those it is hard to imagine how it would be possible for any man to create such huge works of art! Some of those circles are truly beautiful. But I think I would have to see them with my own eyes to believe them if you know what I mean?

I can't imagine how the wind could do such a thing or any weather for that matter.

As for the pagan connection - I am still not convinced. The pentacle, tho a pagan symbol, is still just a 5 pointed star to many and I don't see how it being used in crop circles can evidence their existence as linked to paganism.

And, is the 5 pointed star not also a Jewish symbol? And isn't the star that the 3 wise men followed to the stable also depicted as having 5 points?
The pentacle has relevance in many religions and places around the world - not just in Paganism.

What are you trying to suggest? Are you saying that these circles are messages from other beings about religion? Are you connecting it with a faith you have?

I only ask out of general interest..........

Hi Willow, I agree, really they are UNIVERSAL "Spiritual" symbols, rather than have any real specific link directly to any particular faith... Pagans believe in equals and opposites... masculine and feminine are equal... And SO IT SHOULD BE !!!! I believe the CC phenomenon is 'tied' in with the coming and going of the seasons.... just the Pagan beliefs 'revolve' around the seasons. If ET exists (which I believe they do) they perhaps wouldnt be so advanced as they perhaps are if they didnt recognise these 'universal' principles. The CCs are a communication from ET, in my opinion, but its most definately NOT about religion, its about human beings and the way we communicate... its about the TRUTH. Its about energy... positive and negative.. its about our future and our ancient past. We are not alone in our universe, despite what governments, media, religous and scientific institutions would wish you to think. The universe is a MAGICAL place, it always was and meant to be. Human beings are not meant to 'know' everything... but rather just accept.... this is the way we are - there is a lot of negativity around... we 'exist' in a negative world... BUT the good news is at the same time we also 'exist' in a positive world... but we just cant quite "see" it yet. The crop circles are here to help us "see" a new world.. If only we could see it! Its a beautiful place, and it exists in a universe full to the brim of other ET intelligent life!
Cheers

Fascinating and beautiful response Celtic King!

I agree with a lot of what you have just said! And now I see your reasoning perfectly!

Stunning pics Celtic King.

But wow, I really didn't appreciate the depth of my cyniscism.
Like Willow, I really would need to see them to believe them.
I'm forced to wonder just very briefly if there isn't a little artistic photo editing going on here.

Also:
That would suggest to me, that if they are hoaxes then the perpetrators might be a fairly small well organised group of individuals who, during the course of the last twenty years or so have been honing their skill, their artistry and their imaginations.

I'm really not trying to be objectionable but the pics that you linked really do seem to be "to good to be true".

I still have an open mind though.

Davkin: "researching" means 'educating'....... literally. When studying this phenomenon we learn to sort the wheat from the chaff... whats REAL, whats fake etc... we learn to sort through the evidence (if there is any - very often there is no significant evidence of human involvement). We study the aerial photos and look at the ground shots, we investigate any unusual anomolies... Often the flattened crop is completely 'changed' or transformed at molecular level. Scientific groups in America like BLT for example study the plant samples in lots of detail. Their findings have been very conclusive. We talk to people, we communicate, we find out about any unusual events surrounding a formation appearing... People are seeing strange Balls of light surrounding crop circle events. I too have seen them.
They are beautiful things. Some have been captured on film. Perhaps one of the most controversial films in the CC world show a formation forming at Olivers Castle, in 1996. I believe there is a definate connection between our old pagan beliefs and the crop circles. Both are tied in with the coming and going of the seasons... Pagans believe in spiritual connections often associated with astrology. The crop circles often depict astrological events..... Cheers...

An open mind is a healthy mind. The links to pics I sent were genuine, all photos are genuine, the CCs are REAL, the words you see on this screen are REAL. YOU and I are REAL.

Crop Circle 'hoaxing' does exist, but they are small groups of individuals who have no 'interest' in the phenomenon other than to deceive and disrupt. They do NOT make any of the formations I have shown on my links. Often TV companys contact these groups to 'commission' them to make crop circles...but these formations are 'known' hoaxes and because we are aware that this kind of activity goes on we must NOT assume they are responsible for the entire phenomenon. Really we must get down to the basics of investigation. We look for obvious clues that humans have made them, if we dont find them we can assume the formation is 'genuine' until further 'evidence' subsequently comes to light, which very often it doesnt. Its also worth remembering we cannot 'prove' a CC is genuine... because we dont know what that is other than we know the formation wasnt made by humans. Cheers.

Why? Because they're nature based? I've never come across crop circles connected to Paganism before. And the symbols depicted so beautifully are of dodgy origin to be honest. The celtic styles are more Saxon in design, and the Celtic symbol for Alder? If you are refering to the Celtic Tree calendar symbol then you should be aware that whilst it's a nice system it was invented by Robert Graves only a few decades ago.

The weather cannot be ruled out exclusively, not wind vortexs since so many people have seen them create crop circles.

The art of crop circle formation is a true form, and as you say has grown more and complex over the last few decades, funny that as publicity has improved Something that I find strange is that our ancestors have not recorded any, to the Romans who blamed much on Druids, the Anglo -Saxons time when the first witchcraft cases were fully recorded, to the hysteria of medieval witch hunts, surely crop circles of such complexity as we see today would have caused a panic then? There are recorded incidents from those times of small ones being created by vortex, but no-one thought anything of it, it was a natural phenomenon.

The more complex and supposedly pagan the circle the more sceptical I get I'm afraid. I see much strange nature around me here, but can't believe that any agent other than humans create the more complex ones, sorry

Fantastic looking shots and quite evidently a very tallented artistic bunch of people who made them.

But.. to me... clearly human made.. beautiful mind you. An amazing new form of art.

That not to say I dont question the origin of some crop circles.. but none of these make me think "Alien" and the ones that do... dont make me think "paganism".

Sorry.

There is indeed STRANGE nature around us. I can only recommend you look into this phenomenon in more detail. Read books by leading researchers like Andy Thomas, for example. Study the websites for the reports, go and see a crop circle for yourself. I believe the earliest 'recorded' crop formation was documented in about 1760 or something.... I dont remember now. People are reporting seeing strange balls of light in the sky, UFOs.... being abducted by aliens... are these people mad? Or are we all suffering from a 'collective' global psychosis??
The world is far stranger place than we think it is, believe me. Ask yourself a serious question, did the 'weather' (wind vortices) make this formation at Silbury Hill, this year?

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2004/uk2004cf.jpg

Or how about this one?

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2004/uk2004cp.jpg

There was no REAL eveidence to suggest either of these formations were man-made. NONE. Like most formations every year, just like these... no-one hears, no-one sees nothing. Many formations appear on the same fields each year, but still no-one sees anything, even when they stay out all night 'field watching'.....

Cheers.

Xalle, what makes you 'think' they are man-made? What do you ACTUALLY know about the these formations in particular, or indeed the whole CC phenomenon?

The Pagan beliefs REVOLVE around the seasons, and so do the crop circles. There is a definate connection here, which I dont think we should be ignoring. Pagan beliefs are based on UNIVERSAL principles... so is much of the symbolism depicted in crop formations. Cheers...

I don't think you can assume anything of the sort.

dav

dav: And why not? We can assume whatever we like, ask yourself do we know what humans are capable of? Ask yourself do you know what you are capable of?
Cheers

Well yes, the crops aren't exactly very good in winter for this sort of thing. Besides is it really the cold that puts aliens off coming to the UK at that time then? Or they do really just like our summers? Or perhaps people find it too cold to go out and create their patterns in this weather or even awkward because the crop has been harvested?

I couldn't get any closer to nature if I tried, I live smack in the middle of nowhere, one and half miles from the public road. I know that man can do much when he puts his mind to it, after all if criminals weren't so cautious about not leaving things behind a crime scene then forensics would have never been needed. People create much more than we realise, to think that because no evidence is found means it wasn't man made is ludicrus and lets down your good arguement

Admitted we can assume whatever we like but that doesn't guarantee a correct assumptionPersonally I'd be careful not to confuse connection with coincedence, or even planning.

Hi WeatherWitch,
Can man build space ships that can travel to far off distant galaxies at faster than light speed? I dont think he can, at least not yet. So why should we assume 'men' are making all of the crop circles? Why, after 30 years is no-one catching them? Surely, surely they must be getting seen or caught by now. So its not that ludicrus assumption is it?? Like i said WW, I hope you going to do a little research of your own for me here! Cheers...

People have been using the landscape for years to express their beliefs.

I have no doubt that whoever made these circles, felt there was some signifcance to their beliefs. Certainly the crop pitures you have show us are related to pagan symbols.. but that doesnt make them "pagan".

It makes them easy, world recognised symbols that look pretty.

*edited to say*



How is our inability to go into deep space related to us making the pictures?
We cant go into deep space.. therefore these must not be man made? Baffling.

Celtic King, why should we assume that crop circles are not man made when there is a lot of evidence especially for the more complicated ones that they are man made, our inability to travel to the stars is not relevent to whether or not the crop circles are man made, I do not exclude the possibility of some of them being made by extraterrestrials, but I don't immediately say that they are.

Storm Raven

Xalle, If we don not know know what man is capable of we therefore cannot and must not 'assume' we do. Its not logical. The universe is a far stranger place than we know. We do not have all of the answers, we are not meant to have all of the answers. ET life has existed 'out' there and has done for a milennia.... our governments are probably aware of this BUT are keeping quiet.... we are not alone in our universe. There are beings of higher intelligence out there who are communicating with us in the only safest, gentlest, most subtle way possible. They are intelligent beings, after all. Cheers

What on earth has mans inability to build fast space ships got to do with it?



They have been caught many times, and the other arguement is that if they were created by aliens then they would have been seen by now or have they been wearing those 'invisibilty' jackets as made by the Japanese two years ago? That was a genuine bizairre invention by them



I have looked into it over the years, and never found anything other than unsupported alien theories, the only supported ones were the people who have been caught making them. I have little faith in the reliability of 98% of websites so rarely use the net for professional research

oooh, pretty pictures

One thing I've never understood about crop circles is what they are. I mean, going back several years, the patterns were all circular and were being claimed to be from the exhausts of spaceships. But now they're just pretty patterns.

I feel that if it was aliens attempting to communicate with us, why use pictures like that? If they've got the technology to come all the way over here and make images like that, why not write something, or maybe hang around to say 'hi'? If it is aliens, they're simply using the Earth as a sketch pad, which I feel is ridiculous.

And being a pagan phenomena, I fail to see it. Occult - as in hidden meaning - possibly, but not pagan for me I'm afraid.

Hi Storm Raven: What evidence have you seen that the more complicted ones are man-made? Can you direct me to it? I would like to see it! Cheers Stormraven.

The only relation to Paganism that crop circles have in my opinion is the possibility that some of them have been created by a group of pagans.

As for aliens using them to communicate with us, it is widely agreed that they are likely to use the universal language of mathematics to communicate with us, they are not going to expend the resources to come here just to create crop circles.

Storm Raven

Hi fuzi,

They did write something... they are communicating through the internet...

This formation arrived at Crabwood, 2002 it was a message from an ET holding out a disk with a binary coded message in it. It used ASCII binary coded text, a universal code used in computers. The internet is the clue as to where ET is communicating.

http://home.clara.net/lucypringle/photos/2002/uk2002dl2.jpg

The message read as follows:

"Beware of the Bearers of false gifts and their broken promises. Much pain, but still time. Believe. There is good out there. We oppose deception. Conduit closing. Acknowledge.

How about this? Is this confirmation that ET is communicating with us through the crop circles? And where do we go to find out about them? We use the internet! Cheers

My point i think... we cant assume its alien. We cant assume anything. So we cant build fast space ships.. you know it was only a few years ago worked out how they built the pyramids...



Do you have evidence that they are made by pagan worshiping aliens? If so.. please direct me there! I would like to see it.



Agreed.

because clearly only an alien species would think of doing something like that. Sorry Celtic King, I'm not convinced about the whole alien thing. It's something I've never really had much faith or interest in, so I guess I'll leave you to it.

OH MY GOD!! you are kidding arnt u?

Do you know on the football site I go to there is a thread all in binary? Let me tell u something pettal.. ANY eejit can use binary. And do u not think that if they were communicating with us they might be a little less vague.

Beware of false prophets? Theres pain out there... theres good out there.. well thanks for the heads up ET! I never woulda known that!!

I never suggested they were made by "Pagan worshipping" aliens, I suggested they were made by ET. Have a look at the above link to Crabwood 2002. The clue is in the big-bug eyed alien looking figure head holding out a disk.

Cheers...

Just because the Crop circle used ASCII binary code that does not mean that it was created by aliens, there are a lot of very good and intelligent hoaxers out there that could as easily have created it.

If you want proof that aliens were creating the crop circles then catching them in the act of doing so is the only way of proving it beyond doubt, anything else is just speculation.

Storm Raven

How gullible are you??

Give me a break That's an 'alien' straight out of Hollywood Try your nearest loony bin or student computer You just lost all credibilty with me *shakes head laughing*

Xalle

Yes I agree the message was rather vague, ambiguous even. But this is how humans communicate, isnt it? Ambiguosly??? Thats what I thought anyway. ET is like us because we are like them. I think the message is only meant for you, as an individual to understand, its not meant for 'others'. I think ET is saying "The Truth is out there" but ts also in our minds, our consciousness, and we can use PAGAN universal spiritual principles to 'unlock' the negativity in our minds, in our consciousness, permanently. I think the mind of Human and ET work on the same principles of consciousness.

Um.. no.. I think we are pretty clear.

Oh King you are priceless.. I havent laughed this much in ages! The truth is out there excellent. I agree with WW.. u need to take a step back and look at this objectivly. If an alien race came all this way.. would they really communicate in such a vague juvenile manner?

Good Xalle, I'm glad I have made you laugh. Laughter is a healthy positive reaction. There is TRUTH to be found in the crop circles. We are not alone in the universe, is this so hard to accept? What is the problem here? Ahhh, its fear of course! Why is communicating through a binary coded disc a juvenille thing to do? The fact the figure head is a bit 'hollywood' means nothing. This is a typical ET looking alien, reported throughtout modern UFO and Alien Abduction folklore and literature. Cheers

You are making a some very big assumptions there:

a) that an alien lifeform thinks like us and would be interested in us or Earth

that they are going to expend the huge resources to come here and create
a message that is at best cryptic and at worst means nothing.

c) that is was created by an alien lifeform in the first place.

You have absolutely no proof of any of the above.

Storm Raven

Did I say I didnt beleive in Alien life?

I dont for an instant believe that we are the only sentient life form in the universe. Do I think the crop pitcures you have shown us are hard evidence that they are trying to communicate with us. No I dont. That you do.. and dont seem to know why is interesting though... I tend to find people that desperate to believe are usually searching for something missing from their own lives.

Me too and the keyword that I think you seem to be displaying ..... gullable.
No-one here would wish to deny the possibility of the existence of extraterrestrials but the terms and level that you seem to working at are ones that would be found in most primary school classrooms. Show us something that we work with at a mature level and we'll gladly respond in kind.

I set out in responding to your thread with a completely open mind, unfortunately your polarised and totally unproven theories have left me more of a cynic to your proposals than I was before hearing you out.

Your theories are just that, theories, maybe you're right but I don't think so, I think that you're looking for something sensational in something that can be explained by the mundane, I also think that you're a little too eager to be routed into one single mindset when there other more tennable theories on your subject matter available.

As Xalle said; at least we've had an entertaining afternoon.

Hmmm, you are very skeptical Weatherwitch! My credibility was never at stake here, i was merely introducing myself to your community, as I believe I might be able to help you all out here. We all want to know the TRUTH right? Just for the record I have a degree in computer science and psychology. I am also an astrologer, a philosopher, ancient historian and a musician. I speak only 1 language, but hope to learn more soon. I am interested in the Pagan community because I believe the spiritual principles of the Pagan faith are universal ones, which I understand ET recognises too. See my previous links. Cheers

Oh my.

I looked at all the pics you posted first CK, didn't bother looking at the rest. Isn't it amazing what you can do with photoshop these days. You can even make mud reflect light that isn't there.

Firstly, CC's have nout to do with paganism, we have much better things to with our time. Secondly, most of these are man made, either by doing it in the field or on pc.
And third i beleive there is life out there but i don't think they would waste their time doing this, would you?.

While it is a great subject, it has nothing to do with paganism.

Lion

Utter agree with every aspect of Xalles comment

Excuse me for a moment while I put my teeth back in.

I'm not actually interested in the TRUTH, assuming that you mean the one indisputable truth. I think it's more than a human mind can handle, so I happy plodding along.

Just because someone is pagan doesn't mean that they have to accept everything that seems otherworldly. Being skeptical of something until good hard - and indisputable - evidence can be presented is a sensible thing in my book.

If at some point in the future, the aliens turn up and prove it was them all along, then I will accept your knowledge on this subject. Until then...