Hi i'm Nightcelt. I've just joined, i want to start a topic on precognition (sorry if i spelt it wrong). I myself, i believe, am a precog. I what to ask others of their own experiences.

I have had visions and precognitive dreams of future events since early primary school. These dreams had only gotten stronger till i was nineteen. I then met a pagan who taught me occultism and meditation, i have since harnessed this gift. I still get precog dreams if a major event will happen and i need to know. When they happen i will wake and feel like i haven't slept, the dream i will remember in detail for up to a week, and a strong feeling of its significance.

I have channeled my energy into tarot to focus my gift and only do tarot readings for other people. i feel it is morally wrong for me to use my gift for my own selfish needs. and anyway for a precog "you can't see the woods for the trees".

I have had a set of Crowley's Thoth Deck for five years, which i love dearly, they have become a part of me and i now can do very indept readings to the point that my deck will help and change (court cards will look like people described, significant cards will jump out of the deck while in the hands of the questioner.) and have a personality of their own.

When doing a reading for a friend i only ask what type of reading they want. General, question or present. they can't tell me the question or the present situation because i might use personal imformation to get an answer. so they must only say "question", "general" and the time period, or "Present". then they shuffle the cards and i do the reading. they keep their mouths shut.

Sorry if this is to long, i want to get some threads going and see what responses i get.

My you always follow your Will

NC

Interesting topic Nightcelt! You asked "real or not, fact or fiction"? Weel, I say that if you believe it´s real, it´s real. Simple as that!
So, it is definatly real and a fact!
I have my own (limited) experiences of precognition and it is strange and fascinating. I´m also told my mums grandmother had the gift, she often put the kettle on and set the table 10 minutes before unexpected (?) guests arrived! Very handy!
I find your experiences with the tarotdeck interesting too! We use the same deck, it seems. I´m looking forward to hearing more on this topic.

Blessed be

Deerheart

I have had a few precognitive experiences in the past, but in most cases they have been of limited use, generally just a very strong 'feeling' and only rarely a definite knowledge of what was to come.

Mostly these have been in very emotional and personal times. Once was before my father died and another was when I was near death (in the first I knew he would, in the second I knew I wouldn't).

In some cases I feel that the messages are as a result of natural talent, but in others I feel it is more a forewarning from other powers.

In the case of dreams, they are often vague - but at times I have been visited by my lord or lady and these dreams seem to have more provenence, though also more confusing - which I suppose just means that the gods really like you to work for the knowledge.

On a similar field, my mother has received visitations in the form of a cat (one probably real, and one made out of shadowstuff and sitting on our hall stairs (we don't have cats coz I'm allergic )) when her parents died.

Personally I have worked with scrying with patchy results, runes and 'cornish wish stones' which proved more reliable and also on occaision with the i-ching (very succesfull). Never worked with the tarot in this way though.

So to answer the question, yes I think prescience is a possible phenomena but I feel that the ways it manifest are varied and often open to personal interpretation.

Kev

I get the occasional strong feeling or thing that just pops into my head - nothing earth shattering

I think it's probably one of those things that we could all do but have lost the knack of or stopped listening to along the way

Julia

Thanks for input.

To Dearheart - Thanks for the input, i won't talk about tarot yet because we could be here for days I would of loved to of met you Grandmother she sounds cool. Do you think Precognition is a natural talent or supernatural gift?

To Cosmic Fool - I totally agree that dreams are the hardest to read, but they are also easily more detailed than other forms of premonitions.

On a personal note i hate dream decoder books i think that most are complete drivel. (strong i know) They always use information which is two hundred years or more out of date. We have spent the most time in our own heads, so really we should understand and know our own symbolize and meanings which we use.

What would you say is the most widely used form of precognitive tool used? I-ching, tarot, runes, tea leaves etc....

Well I'd say it was the human mind, the rest are just keys to help you unlock it.

But to answer your question I suppose it depends on the culture, I-Ching is probably very popular in Chinese nations where as tea leaves probably don't figure much in non tea drinking cultures.

Kev

Yea I know what you mean. I am a 'feeler' of other peoples emotions or experiences and sometimes I dream of future events. I feel the cosmic vibes of my surroundings in the present too. I use tarot and my brain.
At this time it is very important for us to send out positive energy, it is needed. And we can do this. The reason we have this gift is to make others aware. Of what, is yours to decide. My choice was not to develop my third eye because it took too much from my energy. At this time I do not have those dreams anymore and honestly I do not miss them. But I feel it is time to become more than this, to develop myself like you are doing. And the motivation simply is the wellbeing of others. And I think I will feel better myself too.

It is not fiction but it is not real yet.

I can say that if you develop your third eye and use your gift of precognition you will see alot of wonderful things.

but still i have said my opinion of precognition but what i want is more of you opinions. Is it supernatual or not? what do you think is the best tool (personally for you)? How have you or how would you develop this gift and why?

give me more!!

Yes I have seen wonderful things but it was not in balance with the negative things. It just hurted too much, I think I was too young. And I am a doomthinker that can be hard.

You have in a wonderful gift. You will see the possiblities of the future and can help others to get there, you can see the path so guide the others around you. Try and find something which wil anchor you to the present so you don't float away. And find a tool to focus you energy into, they will act as a fuse and block any powerful backlash.

I know this is cheating. But i want to get more responses on this topic.

Are there more people who have the same gift? i'm feeling rather lonely.

how about a topic on fortune telling? other precogs give forecasts for people to read. corny i know.

I feel the same way. I had several episodes when I was younger, where I would get a feeling of dread that this or that awful would happen.I rarely see good things. - somtimes it would turn out not as bad as I thought. (eg the relative's dog had just died,NOT a relative: or there would be several people injured in a parachute accident - NOT including my skydiving brother.) but in most cases they would be too vague to act on, and I would be concerned that I wouldn't be taken seriously anyway.

Incidently,I did tell the usually sceptical brother about it much later, and he looked shocked. I've only recently found out that my sister dreamt of a friend's rape(after the event, as it turns out) but didn't tell the friend till
much later, and the friend cried and told her it actually happened.

QuestionAnswerI agree totally with the answer to that question. The chosen or most personally suitable tools are surely simply the channel.

I can't say that precognition is a talent that I have.
Like many people, I've had dreams, interpreted them, and sometimes been correct in my interpretation. This for me however has had little to do with precognition, rather simply the phsycology of the present.
I've heard far to many first hand reports of what I can only see as genuine precognition to dismiss it's existence though.

Like you Nightcelt, I would be very interested to hear the experiences of others having this gift.

I think pregog, along with empathy and some of the other tallents described here are not so much supernatural as "lost senses". I think most people have the ability to learn to use them, some better than others. Some choose not to. Its not something Ive spent a lot of time developing. I "have" it.. experience it a lot, but usually regarding things that are important to me.. family.. friends. I can, will and do, scry for people, do tarrot readings etc etc. But I dont choose to develop it any further than that.

Yes i feel the same way. Not worth the fuzz, it feels very natural to me.
What we see or feel is often something someone else has been through or maybe will experience. That is the best way to say what i feel i guess. We connect to something that is beyond time.

All that is, was and will be
Universe much to big to see

Time and space never ending
Disturbing thoughts, questions pending
Limitations of human understanding
Too quick to criticize
Obligation to survive
We hunger to be alive

All that is, ever
Ever was
Will be ever
Twisting
Turning
Through the never

In the dark, see past our eyes
Pursuit of truth no matter where it lies

Gazing up to the breeze of the heavens
On a quest, meaning, reason
Came to be, how it begun
All alone in the family of the sun
Curiosity teasing everyone
On our home, third stone from the sun

All that is, ever
Ever was
Will be ever
Twisting
Turning
Through the never

On through the never
We must go
On through the never
Out the the
Edge of forever
We must go
On through the never
That never comes

All that is, ever
Ever was
Will be ever
Who are we
Ask forever
Twisting
Turning
Through the never

Never

METALLICA

Precog to me is one of my other senses or maybe part of general sixth sense.

Some of things i see and know aren't very nice.

Other times I've been grateful for it.

Sometimes what I see, sense, feel, know will be very clear. Usually I'm strongest in images/vision but occasionally its just knowing like knowing the answer to a question asked about what's going to happen (or you know when people say guess what I know/did/have)

Other times its just a sense of deju vu or similar. Kinda of like which catch just the hint of a smell or a bit of music thats achingly familar but there wasn't enough substance to give a clue as to what it was.

Sometimes the sense of knowing can be overwhelmed by such a rush of emotion that it clouds it. Like when you know something about to happen but the feeling of terror that it evokes means that any trace of the knowledge is gone. Been there, done that.

From personal experience of it I would have to say the precognition is definitely real, I view it as a psychic ability which can be developed that everybody has the potential to different degrees, a great aunt of mine on my mothers side was apparently very precognative to the point that you didn't play cards with her.

As to whether it is a natural or supernatural ability, I would say that it is a natural ability like our other senses but one that we have neglected as we have become more civilised.


Storm Raven

I've had several precognitive dreams - mostly about daft little things or details. But 2 were precogs of family deaths, so not very nice. I also experience what I call 'fizz' moments with some coven members - I instinctively 'know' if there's something wrong. In particular, 2 coven members, who both have similar 'fizz' moments about me. Has resulted in several "Are you OK? What happened at (such a time)?" Doesn't seem to happen that much with family, so I wonder if it's got something to do with the classical coven group mind?? Don't know if that's classed as precognition or not.

I agree totally with Xalle. That particular psychic ability is inherent in us (as are others) but, as Xalle said, it's a lost art. I have had bits of information, some in the form of dreams, that have proved true. My Great Granny was psychic and actually saved my mother when she was a child from drowning. Being Welsh, (as Mom used to say) she also believed in omens. God help the bird that flew in the window in spring

I have had strange things happen to me over the years that I can't help but believe many so-called psychic abilities is somethng that is natural and can be developed. Some fear it and try to block it out or not try to develop it. It took me a long time to get over that fear. It's also difficult in many cases to try to figure out what is going on because dreams or flashes are often garbled. With me it often comes in the form of a feeling.

Before Mom went into the nursing home dealing with cancer, she told me once about being told in a dream that she had three years. I knew instantly that she would die in 2005 and she told me that three years ago. Then of course, right before she went into the hospital this last time, I looked out of my living room window and there was a big Raven perched on the Pink Dogwood tree outside and he watched me as I watched him for about 10 minutes. This reminded me of my Great Granny and her beliefs in Omens.