So, brass tacks eh? How's about this for a discussion? I've previously used menstrual blood in protection spells for my house, and fresh blood (from my thumb) in a hex. Just wondering how other people go about utilising bodily fluids, and whether they use more than just blood (and you all know what I mean here), and to what ends? This is an aspect of witchcraft that fascinates me, and I would love to learn more from people who have actually done it than from the rather dry pages of a book.

Semen is widely used during ritual, its the male equivalent of the menstrual blood. In fact, its often considered to be more potent, because of the fact that it is "alive" (teeming with little sperms).

If you can catch enough,human sweat is pretty good, as is saliva.

I've not heard many reports of urine or faeces being used though, perhaps because these are waste products (rejections from the body?)

I think the whole thing regarding body fluids is its intimate nature. There is nothing more intimate than your own sweat or saliva, and in this way, it connects you much more strongly to your ritual and magnifies the focus of the intent.

And if used in an offering, you are actually offering a tangible part of YOU, which has to be favoured, doesnt it?

Course someone will now post with a much better explanation and blow me out of the water, but hey ho, I like my theory

A bugger for those of us who've had vasectomies then


Urine is used in the creation of witch bottles, and in protecting the boundaries of a new house (as a cat would do).

<sigh> There's always a Jaffa around to blow your theories isnt there?

Eek.... no offence intended! Really, non-spermy semen tastes much better! Ahh... um.... riight

Jaffa? I don't get it, but I think I'm better off not knowing really.

So anyhoo, urine and menstrual blood good for protective magic. I should imagine faeces could be used in hexing or cursing, although to be honest you wouldn't find me doing that (it was enough to p1ss into a jam jar for the witch's bottle).

Elunedd, one of the most famous things about Jaffa oranges are the fact that they are seedless

Ah !!!! The nitty gritty stuff

yep - used both menstrual blood and normal blood in workings - very potent. Never used semen myself - but then I am female, so would have to borrow some But I can see how it would be useful for a fertility spell or a spell for potency of some kind.

I do know of someone using urine in a hex - literally pissing on the person they were hexing - and it seemed to work very nicely.

I have also heard of pissing into a bottle full of rusty nails - painful indeed for the person that was aimed at.

Saliva - used it once or twice, and have used sweat as a part of someone else in a working - I used a sweaty tee shirt, in much the same way as you might use hair from someone else. that worked nicely too

Literally???!!!

That sounds like a good idea

- we'll need to make sure it's a dark night before we do it at the front, though!

There is a vast number of sex magick books out there if you need further info... and many believe that the post-coital fluids collected are the most potent you can get- as they are the essence of man and woman as one...so some people like to collect these
Depends what u believe in at the end of the day....
I know lots of people that use menstrual and normal blood during spell-working...
Never waste products tho...maybe that's more of a left-hand path thing....
Those satanists sure do like to get mucky

pee into a jug and pour around the boundaries that way - saves a lot of awkward and embarressing situations.



couldn't have been that famous, I didn't know that (oops, are my blonde roots showing again?)

Dont' worry, Elunedd, I didn't know that either And "Jaffa" makes me think of the lollies... Or don't you have them in the UK??

As for using one's bodily fluids, I think it would give you a stronger connection to the working, and would therefore make it a stronger spell/protection/whatever I haven't done it myself, but I would if I felt the need.

no, Kalianah, I don't think we do have the lollies over here. my initial thought about Jaffas was jaffa cakes...mmmm, jaffa cakes

Blood, Sweat and Tears, potent potents

Years ago I had a friend who practiced Santeria and used menstural blood in a binding spell. Her husband evidently 'wondered' and she put some in his food.

I have created a witches bottle for protection using urine, nails and broken glass but I've also heard of it being used in hexes as well. I buried it under a full moon on the left side of my porch at midnight. I buried it near a garden and when my landlord did some remodeling and extending of his garden, he dug it up and couldn't imagine what it was. I made it quick exit.

I felt rather silly doing it but it was something that was suggested to me so I gave it a go. I'd much rather use burnt sage now as I like the smell and did that when I moved into a new apt. almost three years ago. It works much better IMHO.

I think certain body fluids are a great way to get a spell going, what better way to add that extra spark to your magick? I find menstural blood really good because of the way that a lot of women find their cycles effected by the moons phases; your menstural blood is not only using your bodies own womanly magick but also linking it with the luna powers.

Ah yes. That's an old New Orleans trick. It's known as "giving him the red gravy" and will reportedly tie down any man who has a roving eye...

I've used blood, urine and semen in workings (though not always all at the same time!)

I think that using blood gives a working, particularly a hexing, a bloody good kick - it's like gunpowder - you only need a little drop for a big effect! Maybe because it's a physical manifestation of yourself - you can pour and direct your will into your spell, but your own blood, or urine, really packs a physical punch. Just my view anyway.

And I've used the semen in protection spells - very effective too.

lol @ Amethistine

Using body fluids....hmmm.

Well many a ritual of past involved body fluids....blood is the most potent, as blood is life.
So jaffa's are still in with a chance
Its adding a part of you to that spell though, so if you dont want to be linked directly, i suggest you dry it out first and then add it into the mix...the livin stuff would be dead by then.
I were told of an old spell usin dry blood the other day by a friend, if added to the food of a intended lover , its supposed to make em infatuated with you

*wonders what the live version will do *


Rain

wee is very useful. in territory marking, adn to symbolically "piss on" a threat.

I don't know why it feels so right to use it, but it just does.

I've not used menstrual blood, but it's not through any aversion. it's just not jumped forwards in my plottings yet.

Euuughhhhhh!!! I must say this thread is showing me to be more squeamish than I thought, putting menstrual blood in food??!!

I find menstrual blood very icky, so probably couldn't (and wouldn't) use it. Normal blood I'm fine with, and used some to mark my runes!

Ha ha ha

I once made a Witches bottle.

It's funny how they never make them in Charmed!

Guess it's not very glamourous peeing into a bottle of nails, broken glass and any other nasty looking rubbish you can find in your shed!!!

Elswyth

Do you think there's a difference between what I will phrase as "natural" menstrual blood (from women who don't take oral contraception) and "fake" menstrual blood (from women who do use oral contraception). the bleed you get when you are on the pill is not the same as a proper period, because the hormones have been altered so that you don't line the womb ready for babies. Or do you think the intention is still the same?

That's a good question, El.

I suppose it would depend on the purpose of the spell... If think if it was for something like a fertility spell, or protection (using the image of the protection/safety of the womb) then yes, I think it would be different...

But I think for other purposes, where it was just to give the spell a connection to you, it wouldn't matter - after all, it's still your blood.

I have used menstral blood but my periods are so few a year it's rare indeed to get the chance I used urine for witches bottles and very effective they were too

That's a great question El, whilst the hormones have been changed it is still a part of you, it's still your blood, you still release eggs so somewhere in that flow is a very special life giving part of you (or if not if you're like me - I'm caternal not maternal )

The blood is still something that was inside of you, and besides since when has being on the pill meant you can't get pregnant? So therefore although the hormones have been changed they can't have been changed that much for the pill would be 100% effective

It's not just a matter of intent but a matter of personal intimate power too

Um...I presume that all of you that have made Witches Bottles used a funnel or something?

In my experience, aiming into a bottle for a woman is tricky, at best

it's easiest to do it whilst sat on the loo and use a wide necked jam jar, and wash your hands thoroughlly afterwards. and that's all I have to say on the matter!

They were using a photograph of the person they were hexing - sorry - should have made it clearer.

Regarding the menstrual blood while on the pill - I dont think it would be any different, because dont you bleed in the week you DONT take the pill, and its because you have stopped taking that you come on ? So the hormones would be minimal, and probably no different to a woman who doesnt take the pill at a different part of the cycle - if you see what I mean.

However - if doing a fertility spell, i would use blood from a thumb perhaps - merely because the symbolism of a period is NOT being pregnant - kinda goes against the aim.

but it is blood designed for the growth and protection of a child.

it could be used to "feed" a symbol of a baby.

I would think it would have worked even better 'LIVE'

yeah but there again men have a better aim advantage

I once heard that evaporating your tears in an oil burner or something similar is one of the best ways to bring happiness to your life. I've never tried iit myself but i suppose it makes sense.

The only time I've used body fluids is to bind a doll to me. I put a hole where the heart was and dropped some of my blood into it. Worked a treat

I've never heard of evaporating tears in an oil burner (I think you'd have to have a lot as well to manage that) but can imagine it would be very symbolic to have them evaporate away

Now someone just has to ask this, so naturally it should be me but errr Soloman, just what kind of doll were you looking to bind yourself too?

Blood where the heart should be in a doll. hmmm sounds like a binding spell to me. I wonder if I should try that on my old G.I.Joe Doll? (O.K. I like male dolls, still do )

I regularly use blood in my rituals, to add power to a spell, normally taken from my forearm. I've also saved blood from a nosebleed and used it at a later date (just kept the tissue, in case you were wondering)

I don't use menstrual blood very often, mainly because I tend not to want to try anything more taxing than 'the summoning of ye galaxy bar' , but I have found that it works very well. And yes, I know what it tastes like- you may cringe, but it's really not that bad!

To me, blood from a usual period and a pill period would be the same, it looks the same, feels the same, smells the same and gives me the same cramps- ou est la difference?

I've alos used spit and tears in various rituals- I've never done anything that requires the use of urine or semen, but I daresay i'd try it if need be, provided i could find a willing donor

Mother's milk?

Julai that is a good idea indeed Now that is something that is really nurturing, and special to more than a few women.

Reading with interest.
I have some ponderous thoughts about menstrual blood.
Menstrual blood is different when you are on the pill because your hormones do change. Dranchenfach, you said there is no difference with yours on the pill or off but I think it's more common to notice a difference even if it's small.
And I know you bleed on the week you don't take the pill for a combined pill but what about the mini pill. We have to take that continuously.
Also period blood with or without contraception is old blood. Something discarded because it's purpose is finished. It seems to me that using fresh blood with energy and purpose, something you had to give up willingly, seems like a much more potent ingrdient than something that is dead and old and coming out anyway.
Just wondering really.
The evporating tears sounds wonderful.
It makes sense that any bodily fluid would make a ritual or spell or anything more potent but there are some fluids which are not so good pus, vomit (ugh) and old menstrual blood maybe. All things that are bad or dead or poisonous and serve no purpose than to discard.
Blood, sweat, tears, semen all make sense though.

Great threat!

Used all of these items myself... except semen. Only because as a girlie.. its not so readily available . I would really like to use it though for some workings, I havent quite worked out how to ask my bf to "donate" some for me. He's very understanding about my path and all... watched and winced as I stabbed me finger for blood... nodded understandingly as I used mestrual blood... but Im not too sure how he would take it if I was to go up to him and say... "darling... would you do me a biiiig favour... and have a wank in/on this..."

I've spat on plenty of things during spells and used blood in hexing and binding.

I really couldn't use vomit if my life depended on it though *retch*. Does vomit really count that much as a bodily fluid? Surely it is more the stuff we have eaten mixed with a bit of stomach acid.

I'm ashamed to say I feel thoroughly sick after typing that but I really don't do barf at all.

about the vomit pretty gross.but i have used blood when i do protections spells...well period blood....

Xalle!

And as for using vomit just the thought makes me want to throw up, ewwwwww

Sorry WW it had to be said though *snigger*

Yeah the whole vomit thing not nice at all! Left me feeling a little ill.

ok WW really gonna shoot me for this one. Is it wrong to.. um "save" sperm you get legitimatly?

*wonders how she can suggest BF use a condom even though shes on the pill...*

*wonders would the romance be lost if she spat into a tub instead of getting her usual dose of protein*

*wonders is WW gonna have a fit*

ooohhhh way too much information there me thinks

I can't see it being wrong with saving sperm you get legitmately, though it brings to mind how you might get illegitmately

If you want him to use a condom so you have a ready made supply complete with carry case then you could always say that you think you missed taking a pill?

See now I like this idea... but have to ask the male of the species on this site hwo you would feel about that. Im not sure using something as personal as this without permission is right somehow? I really dont know. I mean... it belongs to him.... he has no use for it... so to speak.... once its um... " out in the open". Now I wouldnt be using it for things like hexing or anything negative... perhaps for fertility and I have a few other wee ideas in mind... but it does belong to him.

Lads...?

Xalle,

Speaking personally If my partner asked for a donation of sperm for spellwork I would go off and oblige. And if she wanted to use her hands and then collect that would be good . But I wouldn't want this to be part of our love making, that is too beautiful and special. And I am all for honesty in relationships.

Stenness.. i think thats what I needed to hear. I dont think I'll be using anything he doesnt know about, and I really wouldnt want to cross the line into our personal space. *sigh* suppose I'll just have to wait till I think he's ready for it and then sidle up to him with a wee plastic tub.... "oh dahhhliiing... *batting of eyelashes*....could you donate a little something?? *looks innocent*"

I wouldn't like to use something like that without the persons permission, but some folk have no qualms about it. After all how many men say after sex, 'Excuse me darling but can I have my sperm back?'

I dunno about that, I know some pretty gifted women who can put most men to shame with accuracy