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davkin
An Introduction to Heathenry.


Odinism, Asatru, Vanatru, Troth, The Northern Tradition, these are the just some of the names that have been applied by those who honour the ancient Gods and Goddesses of Northern Europe to their beliefs.

Today, in the United Kingdom at least, the term Heathenry is gaining wide acceptance and many believers refer to themselves as Heathens.

The best definition, in my opinion, of Heathenry to date is that put together by members of the Yahoo Group ukheathenry after much brain storming and fervent discussion and published on the BBC website. The members of ukheathenry are amongst the most knowledgeable and respected members of the Heathen community and I suggest their opinion is worth reading. So go to: -


http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/pa...s/heathen.shtml



and have a read, but don’t forget to come back to the valley :~)




A Potted History of Modern Heathenism.

Historically the study of early European History was a bit of backwater when compared with the scholarly endeavour directed at the classical civilisations, but there was a resurgence of interest from the late 18th century which saw the translation and publication of the Icelandic materials and the wider availability of the writings of historians such as Saxo Grammaticus and Bede.

Although the works of Saxo, Bede, Adam of Bremen and others demonstrate that the ‘Norse Myths’ were not just stories but the remnants of an ancient pre-Christian Germanic religion there is no evidence of any attempt to reconstruct this religion as a belief system (as distinct from German magical groups) until the mid 20th century.

Although there are rumours of organised Heathenism in the UK in the-1920 – 1930period amongst the groupings of such organisations as Kibbo Kift and the Woodfolk, there is no actual proof of such groups existing. The group to go public and therefore the first of which there is evidence was ‘The Anglecyn Church of Ođin’ formed in Australia in 1936 by Alexander Rud Mills, a barrister who used the name ‘Tasman Forth’ when writing about the Church of Ođin. Mills/ Forth published a couple of books on Odinism. His ‘First Guide Book of the Anglecyn Church of Odin’ was circulated amongst interested folks in the English speaking world.

Mills/Forth died in 1964 and his group seems to have collapsed, but his pioneering work may have planted the seed in the UK and USA for in that year a group called ‘The Odinist Religion or Thule Circle was formed and briefly published its own magazine and. 1972 saw the formation of the short-lived Anglo-Saxo Church of Woden. In 1973 The Committee for the Restoration of the Odinic Rite (Odinic Rite) was established. In the USA groups such as Ring of Troth and Rune Guild were established and gained strength. The Odinic Rite and other independent groups such as Widens Own Folk and the USA groups, diverged, split, regrouped as is the nature of all pagan groups until we have today Heathen groups to suit all shades of belief and practice.


The Gods and Goddesses.

The Heathen Deities have been known by many names, but are best know today by their anglicised Old Norse names such as Ođin and Thor, or by their Anglo Saxon/Germanic equivalents such as Wodan/Wotan and Thunar/Donar.

The Gods/Goddesses are described in the literature as being of two godly races, the Aesir and the Vanir who were at war. Following an exchange of hostages peace was declared and they have lived on moderate harmony ever since.

The Vanir often regarded as the older fertility Gods and chief amongst them are: Frey whose name means Lord, Freyja sister and wife of Frey, whose name means Lady, Njord father of Frey and Frejya and Nerthus, Mother Earth the sister/wife of Njord and mother of Frey and Freyja.

The Aesir sometimes seen as the brash newcomers tend to be more in your face; Ođin called by some Allfather, God of battle, death, kingship, poetry and runecraft. Thor, the peoples God, Lord of Thunder, Champion and protector of Asgard and Midgard, Frigga, Lady of he household. Goddess of human fruitfulness and childbirth. Tyr, Sky Father Lord of Judgement, and many others.

The Gods of the north are legion, their relationships are complex, some light on the subject is available here:


http://www.geocities.com/reginheim/home.html

see you soon!


Heathen Cosmology

The Nine Worlds of the heathen cosmology have the World Tree, Yggdrasil as their axis. The Tree often seen as a giant ash has three roots which encompass the whole universe, mankind lives under one, the giants under another and under the third is the abode of the Goddess Hel, mistress of the underworld. Yggdrail is watered by three wells: Urd’s Well or The Well of Fate, here reside the Norns who decide on the fate of men. Mimir’s Well or The Well of Wisdom and Hvergelmir where dwells the dragon of death Nithhoggr and which is the source of all rivers.

The Nine Worlds

Asgard Home of the Aesir .. Ođin & Co.
Alfheim Home of the Light Elves described as more beautiful than sunlight
Midgard Home of mankind
Jotunheim Here be giants, very unpleasant.
Muspellheim Home of the giant Muspell, Lord of Conflagration who initiates the end of the world.
Vanaheim Home of the Vanir Njiord, Frey & Freyja & Co
Svartalfheim Home of the Dark Elves possibly the demons of death
Helheim Home of Hel & those who die of old age or illness, it is not a place of punishment
Niflheim Darkest Hel. possibly an interpretation of the Christian hell.

The Creation
In the beginning, there was no grass, no sea, no sky, no earth, no heaven just Ginnungagap
the great void filled with magical potential. How long this situation lasted is not told for time did not exist, but eventually a change occurred. In the south of Ginnungagap arose Muspelheim an area of fire and conflagration and in the north was formed Niflheimr a land of ice. As the two forces expanded across the void the sparks from the fires fell on the ice. When this occurred the first living things were created in the form of Ymir a hermaphroditic frost giant and Audumla the primal cow. Audmula licked the ancestor of the gods, Buri, from the ice. Ymir produced children by autogamy, his offspring sprouted from his armpits and legs. Buri had one son called Burr who fathered Ođin and his two brothers Vili and Ve with Bestla a giantess possibly a daughter of Ymir. Ođin and his brothers killed Ymir and took his body to the centre of Ginnungagap. From Ymir’s corpse the three brothers created the earth and sky.


and you thought Otherkin were weird

The Body-Soul-Mind Complex

If you have followed me so far, you will not be surprised to hear that the Heathen conception of the inter-relationship between the body mind & soul is quite complex.

Perhaps the most well known aspect of the human spirit is the Fetch or Fylgyur; this is similar to the Christian conception of the soul yet strangely completely dissimilar.  The Fetch could be thought of as a separate entity living within the body yet capable of a separate existence as a doppelganger. On death they leave the body and have a separate existence or may attach themselves to a member of the same family. Closely allied to the Fetch is the Hamr, which is the spiritual aspect of good or bad fortune and has been described as the skin of the soul. The Hamr is associated with shape shifting and is capable of transferring to another person not necessarily in the same family. The great hero and warrior Starkathr was said to have inherited the Hamr of his grandfather because he born the marks of his grandfather’s battle scars.

For an in depth discussion on the aspects of the northern soul you could do no better than to read what is written in Our Troth, another collaboration by heathen experts:

http://www.thetroth.org/resources/ourtroth/soul.html


missing you already !!


The Heathen Way of Death.


The life after death did not have as much importance to the Norse folk as it does to the followers of Christ, which accounts for the wide divergence of their ideas on the afterlife.

The most well know aspect of the northern conception of the afterlife is Valhalla, The Hall of the Slain where the Valkyries take those slain warriors whom they have chosen for Ođin. These warriors, the Einherjar spend their days fighting to the death all day then in the evening coming back to life to feast and drink till morning till the time comes to fight their last great battle at Ragnarok, the end of the world. Ođin however, ever the pragmatist will willing accept those who die outside battle if they are courageous and noble of spirit.

Ođin does not have it all his own way, for half those slain in battle belong to Freyja, and they dwell in Her Hall Sessrumnir ‘Many Seats’, and as she is the Goddess of fertility perhaps their lives there are altogether more delightful then the shenanigans going on in Valhalla. Freyja would also welcome those who died outside battle, as illustrated by a woman who declared she would take no more food until she supped with Freyja.

Those not chosen by Ođin or Freyja dwelt in Hel, which was simply the dwelling place of the dead. It was not a place of punishment; in fact, gold and mead are in plentiful supply.
Some of he dead were believed to reside in spirit in their Howe or burial mound and there are stories of the living attempting to communicate with their dead forefathers by sitting out on the family howe.

For a deeper examination of the Norse way of death see The Road to Hel by Hilda R Ellis Davidson, (I believe it was her doctoral thesis)

http://normannii.org/guilds_lore/lore/roadtohel/toc.htm

and an interesting article by Alby Stone on the Walknut

http://www.paganlibrary.com/reference/knots_of_death.php

be soon


The Runes

The Runes are the early Germanic/Norse/Saxon alphabet.

The Runes are not a magical alphabet; they are simply a means of written communication used by the Germanic peoples between about the 4th and the 14th century. Most surviving runic inscriptions are in the form of memorials and mundane ‘letters’ dealing with trade and domestic business. A very few inscriptions may be seen as magical.

There is no existing historical record of the runes being used as an oracle. The Roman historian Tacitus mentions in his Germanica a method of consulting the oracle by casting slips of fruitwood bearing marks onto a white sheet. To connect this to the modern rune sets is in my opinion wishful thinking.

As far as I know the first mention in print of the use of runestones as a form of oracle or tool of fortune telling was as late as 1972 in Magic of the Runes by Michael Howard. In 1982 Ralph Blum brought out The Book of Runes and introduced the ‘blank rune’. There are now more esoteric books on runes than you can shake a staff at.

For all you ever wanted to know about runes, and probably more visit Arild Hauge at

http://www.arild-hauge.com/eindex.htm

be careful out there!



Norse Magical Practices

Apart from the magical use of the runes, there are two other distinct Norse magical practises Galdor and Siedr/Seithr,

Galdor is the art of singing charms to a specific metre possibly to induce trance. In modern heathenism, many practitioners use the term Galdor to mean the singing of the Rune names.
See:-

http://www.wyrdwords.vispa.com/heathenry/galdor.html

Seidr/Seithr is the art of the Volva, the seeress who has the powers to predict the future

See:-
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2171/seidr/seidr.html

and read

Nine Worlds of Seith Magic, Ectasy and Neo-Shamanism in Northern European Paganism. by Jenny Blain published 2002 by Routledge.



Books to Read

Anything by Hilda R Ellis Davidson
Books by R.W.V. Elliot and R.I Page on Runes
Brian Branston Lost Gods of England
Kathleen Herbert Looking for the Lost Gods of England
S. Pollington Rudiments of Rune Lore
Jacob Grimm Teutonic Mythology.. if you can find a copy :~)
E.O.G Turvill-Petere Myths and Religion of the North … if you can find a copy
Gwyn Jones A History of the Vikings
Rudolph Simek Dictionary of Northern Mythology
Kevin Crossley-Holland The Norse Myths
Carolyne Larrington The Poetic Edda
Anthony Foulkes The Prose Edda of Snorre Sturluson
Tacitus The Germania
Bede The Ecclesiastical History of the English People
History of the Danes Saxo Grammaticus
Snorre Sturluson Heims Kringla The Norse Kings Saga
The Icelandic sagas such as:-
Egils Saga
Njals Saga
Grettirs Saga
Saga of the Volsungs

There are many books out there on the Northern Tradition/Heathenism/Asatru, all the authors draw on the same Primary Sources and spin the sources in varying degrees to suit their own point of view, to find your own truth search the early documentation.

Truly someone has said that Heathenism is the religion with homework, fortunately someone has done a great of the work for us see:-

http://www.northvegr.org/siteindex.php

and if you have six months or so to spare have a look at

http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/of...ner-outline.htm

or a further year or so, learn old norse; starting here


http://www.hi.is/~haukurth/norse/


The Saxon Path


Sweostor min; Brođor min,

I wish I could tell you of the history, rites and religious beliefs of the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxons, but alas evidence is thin on the ground, and as I have just begun to study this aspect of heathenism my knowledge is pretty shallow.

For the moment, I point you towards the following links:

A History of AS Heathenism (USA Group)

http://www.englishheathenism.homestead.com/introduction.html

&

My favourite (it must be the gold on black, so effective :-)

http://www.englishheathenism.homestead.com/introduction.html


Books I am currently looking at:

Heathen Gods in Old English Literature. Richard North
Bede Ecclesiastical History
The Cult of Kingship in Anglo-Saxon England. William A Chaney
Rites and Religions of the Anglo-Saxons Gale R. Owen
as well as most of the production line of

Anglo Saxon Books

http://www.asbooks.co.uk/



Seax Wicca

A latter day development by Raymond Buckland and presented in his book ‘The Tree’ in 1974 appears to be a blend of wicca and aspects of heathenism.

See:

http://www.davensjournal.com/index.htm?Header.xhtml&0




dav
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Cosmic_Fool
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Excelent post Dav.

Kev
WoodSong
Dav, you complete star - what a wonderful beginner's guide biggrin.gif o_hail.gif o_hail.gif o_kiss.gif
Kalianah
Dav, that is excellent!
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weatherwitch
Dav I'm astounded, that is an absolutely amazing post o_hail.gif o_hail.gif o_kiss.gif
badger
great post, how can people compete with that as an introduction to a path?

very interesting reading smile.gif
Freebird
Excellent post Dav.

I can see this being printed off and read at a more leisurely pace.
Helgi
Can't think of anything to add.

Nice one Dav
Grimnir
A good introduction to heathenry. A bit traditional for me but I do tend towards a more modern form smile.gif
Seawitch
Very interesting indeed biggrin.gif
Rhiana
excellent as is the man himself biggrin.gif
morgalou
Brilliant as always!

Great stuff.
DarkCelticLion
Well, what can i say.

Crap, no JOKE!!!,lol. Superb info there dav very well done biggrin.gif

Lion
Rutterkin
Thanks very much! Excellent stuff! biggrin.gif o_viking.gif
Thunarr
Just to add something, it's also worth having a look at "The Real Middle Earth" by Brian Bates, as "Cassell's Dictionary of Norse Myth & Legend" - don't think either of those were on Dav's list, but I've been reading Bates's book, and there's definitely some interesting stuff in there, covering the Celts (but only briefly), the Anglo Saxons and the Norse.

T
Karen
QUOTE
There are many books out there on the Northern Tradition/Heathenism/Asatru, all the authors draw on the same Primary Sources and spin the sources in varying degrees to suit their own point of view, to find your own truth search the early documentation.


We know a song about that, don't we?

Read The Freakin' Eddas...

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As Dav says, do your own studying and research. Various authors have provided articles, books and websites that are helpful, but at the end of the day, you are the one who has to live it all and you have to decide.

As well as books about Heathenry, get yourself to the library and grab anything on Anglo-Saxon or Viking History. Some are better than others, it does depend on their stock!

Road to Hel is also available as a downloadable pdf from

http://www.othalaacres.com/library/files/Road_To_Hel.pdf

Also worth reading is Bil Linzies work also downloadable pdf at

http://www.angelfire.com/nm/seidhman/

Wassail

Karen
finvarra
Brilliant, thanks a lot for all that, will check out those links.

Cheers
Finvarra
Kat
Going to take me a while to go through this lot I think! Thanks everyone who contributed!
Singe
Hi Dav

When is the book coming out? Excellent beginners guide biggrin.gif

Wassail
Singe
Singe
Just had another thought.

Could admin pin this to the top of the list along with any other introductions? It would be a pity to lose such a good intoduction to heathenry.

Wassail
Singe
Kalianah
It isn't going to be lost - things in this forum don't get deleted smile.gif
Singe
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It isn't going to be lost - things in this forum don't get deleted smile.gif


I meant that it may get lost in the posts. In a couple of months this post will be down the list. Who reads all of the archive??

Wassail
Singe
rowan
Great post Dav biggrin.gif Have copied recommended reading list to see how much I can get from library and start ploughing my way through(along with the 100 or so other books that I've got piled up to read rolleyes.gif )
Esk
hauling this up from the depths to say -

Dav! You star! I wanted to know more when I looked this up, now I'm dying to! If I disappear guys, you know I'm reading links!
davkin
I posted an introduction to Heathenry at

Introduction to Heathenry

it does needa bit of updating regarding the history of modern Heathenry, and I now know more about the Anglo Saxon beliefs, but I think as a whole it is OK.


dav
Jezreell
Try reading this thread

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbreligion/F22132...133619&show=100

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Jez
Tas Mania
This site is good for relevant information. Great to see you digging around and hearing/trusting that good old "inner voice"!
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evermorelong
A follower of non Abrahamic beliefs.
davkin
QUOTE(evermorelong @ Feb 18 2007, 09:46 AM)
A follower of non Abrahamic beliefs.
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evermorelong
QUOTE(davkin @ Feb 18 2007, 11:55 AM)
QUOTE(evermorelong @ Feb 18 2007, 09:46 AM)
A follower of non Abrahamic beliefs.
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Somebody who reads comics!
Thinair
If you go halfway down this thread you'll find the etymology for 'heathen' smile.gif

Also, be a little careful as in modern paganism a 'heathen' means a follower of a Norse tradition usually, whereas to country folk at can just be interchangeable with 'pagan' without implying any particular path.

Often it means 'one who wellywhacks' wink.gif

Best wishes,

Marion.
trina
It all depends upon the context in which it is used, it used to mean"a country dweller" here in scotland but as time has went on so its meaning appears to have changed.

Collins Dictionary defines it as this:
as a noun:
1. a person who does not acknowledge the God of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam; pagan

2. an uncivilized or barbaric person

as an adjective:
1. irreligious; pagan

2. unenlightened; uncivilized; barbaric

3. of or relating to heathen peoples or their religious, moral, and other customs, practices, and beliefs (Old English hćthen; related to Old Norse heithinn, Old Frisian hethin, Old High German heidan)

So I suppose now its really take your choice.

Personal Most people I no use it as a country dweller
JohnMacintyre
Dear Fizz,

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I have been reading some of the emails etc on the web and wondered what a heathen is.  I've heard the word before but I thought it was another word for pagan but it doesn't sound as if it is..


It's just another word for a Pagan ...... who starts foaming at the mouth and waving axes around when you say it's just another word for a Pagan. tongue.gif

To be fair, there are other distinguishing features. Usually has an even more encyclopedic knowledge of real ales than most other Pagans. Usually has a much better understanding of poetic metres than most other Pagans - albeit with a deplorable tendency to filk when drunk! If male, is even more likely to have a beard than most other Pagans. Always has a DVD of "The Thirteenth Warrior" hidden behind Heimskringla on their bookshelf. Both males and females will invariably explain that the Vikings did not really wear horned helmets. However, nearly all of them keep one hidden under their beds and, every now and again will draw the curtains, put it on, and charge around their house roaring strange Nordic warcries - but none will ever admit to this. biggrin.gif

BB,

John Macintyre
artyfahrtyAimee
rolleyes.gif to the above post .....from a Heathen...... o_viking2.gif o_drink.gif o_beer.gif blush.gif
davkin
QUOTE(JohnMacintyre @ Feb 19 2007, 03:52 PM)


It's just another word for a Pagan ......




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dav
wolverine
QUOTE(davkin @ Feb 19 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(JohnMacintyre @ Feb 19 2007, 03:52 PM)


It's just another word for a Pagan ......




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dav
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artyfahrtyAimee
QUOTE
It's just another word for a Pagan


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Jezreell
LOL

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Jez

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BTW, heathen are not always followers (followers??) of the Scandiwegilandic religions, sometimes they are followers of the Anglo-Frisian-Saxon-Jutish... religions...
JohnMacintyre
QUOTE(davkin @ Feb 19 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(JohnMacintyre @ Feb 19 2007, 03:52 PM)


It's just another word for a Pagan ......




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dav
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Ow.......Ow.....Ow.......HELP!.. I am a victim of stereotyping!!......Ow.....Ow......Ow....

BB,

John Macintyre
JohnMacintyre
Dear Jez,

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BTW, heathen are not always followers (followers??) of the Scandiwegilandic religions


True. There are a few Heathens in Glasgow...... biggrin.gif

Best Wishes,

John Macintyre
artyfahrtyAimee
technically a Heathen could also be any person of the beliefs that are indigenous to their country of origin such as Aborignies, Native Americans, Maori, etc.

*oh and even 'followers' of celtic beliefs could be included.


just to confuse even more ! tongue.gif
Quasizoid
Gee I dunno, perhaps a person of the hedonistic persuasion in a remote little Celto-Germanic hermitage on the backwaters of Allemania where the most popular local belief system is "None of the Above" ? biggrin.gif
JohnMacintyre
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Both males and females will invariably explain that the Vikings did not really wear horned helmets. However, nearly all of them keep one hidden under their beds and, every now and again will draw the curtains, put it on, and charge around their house roaring strange Nordic warcries - but none will ever admit to this.


QUOTE(artyfahrtyAimee @ Feb 19 2007, 07:29 PM)

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OK. Maybe one Heathen who admits it wink.gif

BB,

John Macintyre
davkin
QUOTE(JohnMacintyre @ Feb 20 2007, 09:00 AM)
QUOTE
Both males and females will invariably explain that the Vikings did not really wear horned helmets. However, nearly all of them keep one hidden under their beds and, every now and again will draw the curtains, put it on, and charge around their house roaring strange Nordic warcries - but none will ever admit to this.


QUOTE(artyfahrtyAimee @ Feb 19 2007, 07:29 PM)
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OK. Maybe one Heathen who admits it wink.gif

BB,

John Macintyre
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Perhaps she has considered the archaeological evidence.



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JohnMacintyre
Dear Aimee,

QUOTE(artyfahrtyAimee @ Feb 19 2007, 10:37 PM)
technically a Heathen could also be any person of the beliefs that are indigenous to their country of origin such as Aborignies, Native Americans, Maori, etc.

*oh and even 'followers' of celtic beliefs could be included.

just to confuse even more !  tongue.gif
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As Wicca is an indigenous tradition in these islands (on no less authority than Prof Ronald Hutton) then that would make us Heathens too.........

..........just a minute...............

...... modern Druidry, and most forms of 'generic' Paganism are also indigenous to these islands, so they must all be Heathens as well.........

.........but................

.......... the Norse, and Germano-Juto-Anglo-Saxoid paths came here from across the sea, so they aren't indigenous to these islands and therefore can't be Heathens............

......so what should they call themselves??????...........

.......I've an idea............


PAGANS!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif

BB,

John Macintyre
Xalle
God God John!

You like living life on the edge!

*personal note to self... keep away from john.. angry heathens swinging axes might take out the odd innocent bystander*
elswyth
QUOTE(JohnMacintyre @ Feb 20 2007, 09:16 AM)
Dear Aimee,

QUOTE(artyfahrtyAimee @ Feb 19 2007, 10:37 PM)
technically a Heathen could also be any person of the beliefs that are indigenous to their country of origin such as Aborignies, Native Americans, Maori, etc.

*oh and even 'followers' of celtic beliefs could be included.

just to confuse even more !  tongue.gif
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As Wicca is an indigenous tradition in these islands (on no less authority than Prof Ronald Hutton) then that would make us Heathens too.........

..........just a minute...............

...... modern Druidry, and most forms of 'generic' Paganism are also indigenous to these islands, so they must all be Heathens as well.........

.........but................

.......... the Norse, and Germano-Juto-Anglo-Saxoid paths came here from across the sea, so they aren't indigenous to these islands and therefore can't be Heathens............

......so what should they call themselves??????...........

.......I've an idea............


PAGANS!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif

BB,

John Macintyre
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I would get you John but as far as Heathens go, I'm pretty damn apathetic...
Jezreell
John...

Wait for camp, you, you PAGAN you smile.gif

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Jez - thinking about songs...
JohnMacintyre
Dear Jez,

QUOTE(Jezreell @ Feb 20 2007, 03:30 PM)
John...

Wait for camp, you, you PAGAN you smile.gif

Jez - thinking about songs...
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I will endure with whatever fortitude I can muster, the Heathen Choir smile.gif singing the successor to "Coven in the Sky" sad.gif.

It sounds like I'd better be preparing my purely defensive, 100% Rede-compliant, non-harmful, utterly spontaneous, response well in advance - and seeing if Kitty will darn the hole in my horned helmet smile.gif.

Best Wishes,

John Macintyre
Jezreell
Ah, don't hold 'coven in the sky' against me - for one thing, it was a joint effort, and aimed at the ruling members of a particular pagan organisation which had mucked us all around that day, and for another, it concentrates not on wiccans as a religion (although these particular people happened to be wiccan), but on career pagans who rely on the feet-under-the-table approach to make their money out of the gullible while claiming some sort of unbroken traditional right to rule the pagan roost.

In fact, I would be very upset if /you/ were to take that particular song personally...

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Jez
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