how to start this... theres a lot of nonsense about many paths out there and one i wanted to clear up on is technomagick!

it is not a modern path like many forms of modern wicca (not witchcraft)
even LaVey founded Satanism in 1966, but Satanism was around long b4 it was founded, but technomagick is not as ancient as Christianity, Buddhism or Islam... or is it?

technomagick (in many aspects) has been around as long as other beliefs such as... Darwinism, Baha'i Faith... or even older than that some would say!
but is origins... its birth has been around much much longer...

what is technomagick...

"technomagick is the art of constructing/using devices that can use or manipulate energies in this universe!" energy comes in many forms... the primary energy that technomagick uses today is electrical energy, but it does and has used many others...

just like in pagan/occult paths they use and manipulate invisible energies within them and around them, technomagick does exactly the same!
you use a sword/wand i use a keyboard/mouse!

the roots of technomagick... some examples...

LEONARDO DA VINCI, Painter and Sculptor of Florence (1452-I5I9)
the Helicopter
http://www.artist-biography.info/gallery/l...rdo_da_vinci/27

ok you want a fully working example of old technomagick, how about the steam engine!

just a slight historical sidestep here folks...

According to Thales of Miletus, writing circa 600 BC, electricity was known to the Ancient Greeks, who found that rubbing fur on various substances, such as amber, would cause a particular attraction between the two. The Greeks noted that the amber buttons could attract light objects such as hair, and that if they rubbed the amber for long enough, they could even get a spark to jump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity

now the big jump is when electricity was used to power devices!
now this is modern technomagick!

OK...OK...

a lot of you are probably asking am i having a laugh! NO!

how many times have you seen somebody hit/boot or otherwise connect with a piece of technology that was not working! only for it to start working again?

*dam car wont start! so you kick it! hey it works!*
now that is technomagick! u willed/transfered energy to this object and now it works!

and a silly question to ask... but how many of us here own a computer, tv, video etc etc the list goes on... technomagicians class computers and even some other high tech appliances as golems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golems

this is an old path yet it has been souped up due to advances in technology!
alot of ppl disputed this as being a real path, u could go around all day disputing faiths all day just because you dont belive in them!

this is just a small insight to a path which is overlooked or even disbelieved by many! theres is a whole system out there that ppl do not even know exists!

please feel free to ask any questions!

You've been watching Crusade again, haven't you?



Dryad

TV? who me? i dont own a TV!... scary eh!!!

no kidding you! this is an occult path!

Nice to find yet another member here who doesn't have TV

But errr, technomagick? Yeah right, it's magic for kiddies who can't leave their computers behind It's science in your explanation, magic has bugger all to do with it.

And as for hitting something with intent to make it work, oh come on Or shall I consider the hammer which was needed to start an old Micra I had the misfortune to borrow for six weeks a piece of technomagick? One big swift smack on the starter motor and the car started fine, that wasn't magic, that was sheer force knocking the faulty bits to work. Vibration yes, magic no. Entertainment value to all who saw me do that every bloody time so it would start - Priceless.

LOL! Love to have seen that WW!

I'd agree with you totally - it's science - no more, no less.

Centuries ago people used to view the work scientists did as magick - the scientists were applying the laws of nature and physics etc - it's all about perception. I certainly don't believe it to be a magickal path.

Well it was on quite a few petrol station CCTV cameras! I expected it to turn up some Odd Britain programme or PMT awareness film

Actually, this is sort of interesting - I was at a talk a few weekends ago where the speaker was talking about complexity of systems in IT. One of the more interesting points he raised (and I'd give you examples if I could remember them) was programs which have actually gotten to the point where no one can tell you how they work - fixes make unexpected things happen, and sometimes the programs just do completely random things. There's certainly some faith involved in using some operating systems and applications out there!

(Incidentally, the speaker was using this phenomena as an indication of man's impending downfall. Just so you know! )

i prefer living life rather than watching it on a box, life is about living after all
nice to see others who dont rot their minds with soap operas



that sounds so condescending!
"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will."
technomagick is a path/faith/belief just as much as Darwinism, Scientology, Kabbalah or even wicca is! it has nothing to do with a persons maturity (kiddies)



and as for this hammer incident! as for smacking a car with a hammer that does not really sound like science now does it?

1) taking it apart and finding out whats wrong with it or rebuilding it, i would consider science!
2) as for focusing on an object and wanting/willing it to start and in transfering energy into another object sounds like some of the basics of magick to me!

but the great thing about technomagick is both 1) and 2) are both forms of technomagick!
"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will."

The trouble is, what one person might consider science, another might consider magic (and no, there is no way I shall ever put a k on the end!).

Personally I believe in energies, so the hitting the car with the hammer could be simply ordinary vibrations (percussive I think they are called?) and also the vibrations of intent. So you can have it both ways!

And I really don't see why that makes it a separate path - if it is all about energies, then some physical objects will simply be the conduits of these energies, much like electricity can be conducted by various substances.

In short, it's all magic. And, once it can be explained and replicated under laboratory conditions some will call it science.



[edited to correct one of the more obvious spelling mistakes ]

not trying to put words in anybodies mouth!

so in a (weird) sense... would ppl here say magic(k) can be seen as a proto-science then?

myself i see ALL paths and forms of magic(k) as science anyway!
i always have and always will!

Think it boils down to perception then - like I said earlier, people used to see science as magic (with or without the "k") - guess you see what you want to see.