Didn't know where to stick this; Magick and Ritual didn't seem right, neither did starter's orders.

As some will know (as well as those looking at my profile), I am interested in Shamanism. As part of this, I would like to learn how to Astrally Project myself. However, is this a technique that is too advanced for a beginner like me? Or is it open to everyone as long as they are careful what they are doing?

I've read a few things on Astral Projection, but how is it done by others? How do you do it (to those who have done it)? Any tips? Advice?

As far as I am concerned, to quote one of my teachers, "A shaman works by asking the spirits for help".

I don't think it is difficult to get out of your body, and some people seem to do it without even trying. On the occasions when I've found myself about to leave, I've struggled like crazy to get back again, but only because I didn't feel in control and didn't know what would happen next. I have to say that it felt as though the techniques for leaving were actually pre-programmed in me, and some part of me just went for it before the rest of me realised what was happening.

So doing it is one thing. But will you be prepared for what happens next? Do you think you need to be? What would be your intention in taking your consciousness out of your body? Who would guard your body till you came back to it? There is a phenomenon known as "walk-in" when the unwary traveller leaves their body vulnerable to a lurking disembodied consciousness, which takes over their body in their absence. Or the body can be thrown about and attacked, especially if the work you are doing is of a sort to attract and challenge hostile energies.

People like Lynn Andrews and Carlos Castaneda went on this kind of deep-space journeying with a guide sat next to them, telling them what to do. They were not experienced, but they had help. If you don't have someone in this world to guide you, I should think you'd do well to establish rapport with an otherworldly guide or helper. It's a jungle out there. The forces do not follow the rules they do in the world we are used to.

I've done some reasearch but I've not heard of this before (good thing I ask for advice before I go off and do things on my own!). What exactly happens? Whilst the spirit goes wandering the astral plane, another can take over the body? Would they leave the body when the original 'host' spirit returns? Or is the spirit that belongs to that body stuck in the astral plane? Does it have to fight it's way back?

And I might as well ask whilst I'm here, how do I go about finding my otherworldly guide/helper? Have been reading things in books but upcoming exams are holding me back a bit (just limited to asking questions at the moment really). And how do I go about building a repertoire (sp?) with him or her?

Oh dear - I still have a lot to learn...

Yes, thats the reason why I do not use astral projection anymore. I used astral projections mainly to see what goes on in the mental world (also known as spiritual level, astral plane, subtle material level and so on).
I write as I see this problem:
When performing them, You go out from You physical body with Your energetical body. Your energetical body protects Your physical body and Your physical body protects Your inner realm. If You go out from Your physical body with Your energetical body, then not only Your physical body is without sufficient protection at the same time, but Your inner realm is in danger too.
The nature doesn't tolerate an emty spot.
Other beings can come into Your private territory - into Your body or even into Your inner realm. That's the reason why people experience being paralyzed or see different type of beings coming into them or people are even dying.

People can be engaged in witchcraft without trance and going out from body, too. People can see with using a mind picture (You can watch what goes on in the mental world with open eyes too). You can use second picture, like then when You are imagining.
You just consentrate on something on the mental level, and try to see it. You see what is going on there in Your mind picture (like then when You are imagining).
It saves time, energy, etc.

In "Links" a Native American directory is pinned, in that directory you can find out more over the link "Shamanism". Basically, the best way to explore the "astral realms" is by attuning to "Wakan-Tanka" (interconnectedness) in the dreamstate without the nuisance of OBE and all its side-effects. This will however require some empathic filtering, so as not to get caught up in other people's unconsciously projected emotional states. Softly, softly, one step at a time, to allow for the experience to condition you, much like you would in the "real world". What is important first is that you "know" yourself.

What rubbish!! Of course there is nothing that will 'enter your body' while you are astral travelling! You leave a part of your consciousness in your body at all times. Anyone can do it, like meditation it takes practice that is all.

Hello Amilyi, I reviewed the N/A link on shamanism, but see it has become diluted with too much "New Age" crap. On this, I must point out that the term "shaman" is a generalized term (for lack of a better one) applying to the quest of that subliminal realm where all things are interconnected through the life force of existence. In indigenous terms, this life force is in the matter and energy of all things in the cosmos, and not just biological forms of existence. The first step in exploring this channel in oneself, is generally called the "spirit quest". Any N/A information I provide you on this is not to assimilate an N/A path, rather, give you some insight into more natural basics of "astral exploration" without all the flim-flam New-Age trends try to sell you. Indeed, it can be achieved by "meditation" as Arianrhod suggests, but not to say you have to assume some posture and fix your gaze on a candle until you go cross-eyed. I suggested the dream state as it is far more comfortable. I also find it relaxing to do this while reclined in a garden chair before an open fire (but with all due respect to wind direction and flying sparks). Indeed you shouldn't have to worry about "bad spirits" per-se, if you can accept the fact of who you are objectively, without the moral schizms that tend to distract from human nature. It is such schizms that the so called "walk-in's" go for, not to say they actually take you over, rather, try to influence your will.

I have been dealing with astral projections since I was about 13 Years old, I am talking about my experiences. I have heard about same experiences from many many other people, also.
Yes, You leave a part of your consciousness in your body at all times, but part of You is out from body at the same time and that leaves an emty spot as I see. This that part of my consciousness in your my at all times, makes possible for me to sense these attacks. Being paralyzed, get dragged away somewhere, someone tries to beat me, someone tries to get into my body (I see these as somekind of creatures), someone rip some of my energetical part of me off from my energetical body (like tears a leg off) - all kind of things happen. I experienced this mostly when I was a child.
Mabye You just don't have enemies. I fight all the time, and if I would astral project then I think all attacks would be addressed at my physical body.
So I wished to warn people who have enemies who would wish to attack them when they have an emty spot in them, so they could be knowledged not to give them a chance.

Not sure, but I think I had an astral experience (well the start of one ). A couple of nights ago. G. said he wanted me to try to 'project ' and so we did. anyway, I felt a kind of lifting feeling and then I seemed to hit a kind of ceiling and I couldn't go any further. This happened twice. Was it an astral projection or something else?

fizzy

PS Weird that this question came up - I was thinking about posting something similar myself.

PPS avidly watching this thread 'cos I'm also interested in learning about astral projection.

I see this was astral projection.
Strange, that Your other body was not able to move freely. Is see that there is a possibility that someone has seperated (put a cage around this place where You did this) You partly from the mental world (also known as spiritual level, astral plane, subtle material level and so on). Our other bodies should be able to move freely all the time, when You are projecting or not.
I have had this kind of problem myself in the past that someone tried to seperate me from the mental world and my other bodies that exist there (wished me to be just a physical being here), with somekind of a energetical building like a cage. I lived on my parents' territory and they allowed someone to do it.

Actually I am with Julai on this one, I have heard of this phenomena a number of times; from very experienced practitioners. I have also experienced what I believe to be a "walk in" although I didn't know it had a name. I used to have a nasty habit of involuntarily popping "out" in my light sleep phases, and once when I came back, it was to find myself physically pinned face down in a pillow, effectively being suffocated and totally unable to move my head. I started to struggle with my body and was grabbed and dragged by one ankle off the bed.

By this time I had enough wits about me and was concious enough, to send out a quick energy blast and the attack stopped. I'm not one for flights of fancy, it was definitely most real, so I'm afraid, I think what Julai is saying is far from rubbish and should be considered by anybody attempting to practise any form of OBE.

Hell, if it had you by the ankle, we're not just talking walk-in here. Have you had your home checked out for ghosts and such? These things need some kind of domain or source to come on that strongly.

I found the hemi sync audios quite good as were the books by Robert Monroe.

http://www.hemi-sync.com/store/home.php

used to have a really old audio tape for astral projection when i was about 17 it was brilliant. But lost the copy and have never been able to get a copy since. Had some brilliant expeirences with it.

I think the best bit of advice I could give to someone sticking theire toe in the astral is to do it with another person, who can watch out for you and bring you back should you get yourself into any bother, which isn't likely but always an idea to urge on the side of caution.

Q

Hahaha every house I have ever lived in is haunted, if it isn't when I move in, it sure as hell is within a few months I have friends that hate my house and dislike sleeping over it is so busy

I did think at the time it might be more than a walk in; I'd been working for some time to gently deconstruct a very badly created familiar, made by somebody that should have known better, so instead of doing it nicely the following day I just blasted it into non-existance, but the energy signatures were all wrong and not at all congruent with what I had felt, so I am still fairly convinced it was just a very very nasty walk in.

Lol suffice to say, I spent a long time training myself not to "pop off" in light dream state, after that.

wow!!! im so glad i read this!!! i was going to try and project myself, and had no idea about all these things that could go wrong. if you ever did get stuck, and somebody stepped into your body what would happen??? you wouldnt have the same personality would you??? would you die??? would your body regect the spirit??? Sorry for all the questions but its just really shocked me

BB Susie X

So do you think it was a ghost preventing me or something else? I ask because theres a debate between me and my partner at the moment as to whether or not my house is visited by spirits/ghosts etc.

fizzy

Worst thing that could happen is that a person gets killed, but I don't see You have this danger.
If someone gets in, You will not be same personality. Usually the influences are hidden from a person. He doesn't notice that he has false personality now. Then this other personality in You tries to play Yourself to You, so You would think that this is You. Because those who come in are usually male beings, then for a woman it is even impossible to get rid of it without some man's help. Man's energy is needed to take it out. But, what man would manage to do this and what man would You trust into Your inner realm.
That could make You pretty possessed. For example, someone makes You laugh spitefully, when You do not wish to, You can not trust 100% Your inner/gut feeling anymore, some of Your wills (wishes) are not Yours or dead (You feel You don’t have the will to do something anymore that You wished to do before) and so on.
And when Your inner realm is partially taken over, it starts to try to take over all of it, it tries to make You a perfect slave (one who does something what is actually not useful for him, without even noticing it. Thinking it is his own mission, wish.)

If someone gets in, then You have to use the black magic: http://thevalley.ukpagan.com/http://thevalley.ukpagan.com/index.php?showtopic=14868 very fast and get some of Your other parts/doublets/higher bodies back from other realities into Your inner realm to throw this being out, then maybe You can get it out before it can take partially control over Your inner realm.
Determinations help, too. You can determine that You are the strongest in Your inner realm and it mustn't be there, it is determined to be destroyed or thrown out.

I don't think it is ghost. I think it is some egregor/ visual realm (religion) what wish to take control over Your higher parts and You here in this physical reality (a ghost would have this kind of power). I think it is done through the owner of this territory (mabye he has given permission to do it or just haven't made determinations for his territory). But, even if he makes these determinations, in Your room must apply only Your rules.
You can determine that this room or house You live in is Yours and there apply only Your rules and no egregor (religion) hostile towards You can get into Your territory (Your room or house) and so on.

Remote viewing is a lot easier than A/P. A simple Martial arts form of meditation helps with the mental discipline needed to hold concentration. Happy wandering.

Is trancework the same as astral projecting? Sorry to appear dim...
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I see it is the same as astral projecting.

Does this what is called remote viewing mean only seeing on physical reality or also seeing other realities ? I have had imperssion that it means seeing things or places on physical reality only.
Yes, seeing with a mind picture method is a lot easier than astral projection. I do it even when driving a car and it saves energy, time and is not dangerous as I have experienced. Of course it is not dangerous if a person deals with it in a right way. (the point is that a person can leave an emty spot in him even with seeing with a mind picture method, if he doesn't know how to perform it in a non dangerous way.) The trick is in this that a person should use his field to see things or places, not go out from body when being awake. As I see, he should use the same field that shows him his dreams (mabye some poeple have noticed that also some other part of them observes themselves when they are in a dream, something what makes them to know what happens next in this dream or helps them to knowledge that they are in a dream for example). My view is that in dreams we see our other bodies'/other parts'/doublets' lives in other realities. And we watch over them with the field (personal field) that exists everywhere on the planet.
With this field we can also see things or places in the physical/rough material level.

If trancework/astral projecting/OBE are so dangerous how the heck does one go about learning it? Seems a bit like deciding you want to ride a bike, buying the biggest Harley you can find and setting off up the M6 in rush hour with no lessons, no lid and no kevlar.
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Hahahaha actually I first learnt to ride a bike on some disused tank tracks on a heavily modded RD250, but that is a whole other story

But on the more serious topic at hand, it isn't "that" dangerous; it is like many mundane things in life. It requires serious risk assessment and proper precautions. So for example, a beginner might actually be better working at shielding and learning how to maintain those sheilds in an inconcious state (say sleeping) as a start, then they may wish to progress onto energy projection for a while, just incase anything were to slip past those sheilds and need dealing with, can you see what I am getting at here?

Never mind that, as things are seldom achieved by living in denial. In case you missed it, I suggested one can use that channel that makes for the integrity existence in all things. There you can just as well explore the continuum in virtual reality while even in the state of consciousness. Its more like driving with a built-in GPS navigator, thus without the distraction of hobgoblins, because they just aren't on the same wavelength.

I think so. But have I been sleeping unsheilded all these years? Is that where nightmares come from? I get sleep paralysis too sometimes which is deeply scary, Have I been under attack all those times?
(Sorry Quasi, you have stunned me with science, can't get a handle on that one at all. If you have time and inclination could you explain tit again to someone who got a C in O level chemistry?)
Badger's Moon
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Does the term "Mind's eye" mean anything to you? Open it up through meditation. Realize that underlying sense of the world around you, and it will take you there.

btw: It should please you to know that the last time I took chemistry in school (1972) I made a "D". Since then I acquired myself some proper educational books and taught myself. Frankly I think most "academic" stardards back then, as well as these days, leave alot to be desired. I chose not to rely on them.

Now I'm with you. I think I do that already, albeit in a fairly unconstructive way. Now I need to learn how to direct it.
Thanks Quasi
Badger's Moon
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