I know this can be a bone of contention, but...

I read a post earlier where someone referred to fluffy as an age thing, and I was wondering wether anyone else thought of it like that. Although I know a lot of people use it to refer to the eclectic and some of the new age paths to imply they are not 'real', I have always thought of fluffy as the non serious people. The ones who say they are pagan/witches etc. but have no idea what that means, and no intention of finding out.

So what does it mean to you.


Sorry I have put this in the wrong forum. Please move, I don't know how. Or if I can.

I would agree with that point. To me fluffy is not an age thing it is just simply that. I would see however, how people of a younger age would be bundled under this term not that I am agreeing this is right but at that age people tend to be a lot more fluffy! When I was 17 and thought I knew it all I was definitely 'fluffy' in that respect. I am not saying that every teenager is like this just that I can see where the line disappears.

But you're right to me fluffy is somebody who skims over books, logs onto sites such as these and calls themselves pagans without going any further.

I disagree when fluffy is used to describe people who don't hex, curse etc as it is deemed to be quite a derogatory (sp?) term in pagan circles and just because you don't wish ill on other people doesn't make you less of a witch!

Agreed, but with the added point that those who I tend to view as fluffy, even when they do take the big scary step of researching something, will happily discount all the perfectly reasonable viewpoints which don't agree with their own point of view, so that no matter what information their research throws up, they come back to the same point because they can't bring themselves to accept that they might not have thought it through quite properly...

I certainly don't consider age as an indication of someone's fluff factor. I know plenty of young pagans who are calm, sensible, well educated and willing to learn. I also know plenty of 40+ nutballs who bounce around trilling about cosmic energies and chakra healing when the closest they've ever come to a healing energy is the threat of electro-shock therapy.

Exactly Age doesn't come into it for me either, young people have much to offer and older people have much to offer. Some young people can be wise and intelligent and others just aren't and are in it for the thrill and look-at-me factor, and some older folk can be wise and intelligent and others aren't just being in it for the thrill and look-at-me factor. I have also found that people with years of experience can be so naive that it is really unbelievable, and others new to the path can be the wiser by far.

A fluffy has yet to learn what they have read, they have yet to understand reality and experience it for themselves. Someone naive without seeking knowledge for themselves but expect it handed to them on a plate is for me quite fluffy.

I would say a huge majority of todays starters on the Pagan path are fluffy, and have no idea of it because the only books you can access easily are quick fix, instant path and ritual without taking the time to learn and understand. Books that might deal with the real balance of things are labled black or something else equaly ridiculous, they put people off learning and feed misconceptions too. I have no problem in admiting that I started out as fluffy. I learnt though

People who take up paganism to "make a statement" are fluffy to me. You know cos I think all religion require belief.
Also people who take up paganism to further their own victim complex are fluffy. A religion should be an empowering, life enriching experience that puts you more in touch with all of the universe. Not that you choose it because it was cool.
But everything may have its place!

To my mind, fluffy people can often have practiced for years so no I don't assoicate it with age. To me it means those who accept what they read or are taught without looking deeper to the knowledge within them, people who who ignore the balance of witchcraft and only take the nice side into consideration, people who don't allow for the fact that though I don't practice the same as them, I'm no less than them.

someone who makes a squelching sound when squashed underfoot

In my opinion a fluffy is someone who insists that all is love and light, they only celebrate the spring and summer festivals, they ignore the festivals dealing with death and the dead. If you mention any of the darker aspects of paganism such as hexing or cursing they will usually claim that you are a black magician and want nothing to do with you.

The other type of fluffy is the one who reads a book and is instantly an expert, they tend to be intolerant of other peoples opinions, but do not fully understand what they have read.

Storm Raven

I think fluffies are people who claim to have a lot of power - which they don't have to prove - and get rather p*ssed off when you openly disbelieve them, or ask them some simple questions. Books gather dust on the shelves of fluffies as they're only bought for decoration. There's usually a lot of costume jewellery - but it's all powerful charms and amulets.
There's possibly something about dolphins too!

I'm not against newbies, it's those who have an opinion and that is the truth. The only truth. It's because of those kinds of people like that I gave up on xtianity.

Oh damn this is going to cost me a bundle down at the book shop... i can see it coming already lol. Time for me to do a lot of reading discussing and learning. Either that or can some one lend me some sheep shears?

Age has nothing to do with it, after all I'm old. However I am also VERY new to the realisation that I am a Pagan at heart even if i havn't got the faintest idea as to the why's and wherefores.

I like to believe however, that it is friendly groups such as yourselfves who are willing to encourage support enlighten and occasionally humor newbies like me that will help the moulting process over time.

In time my path will reveal itself to me.

Reckon you're bang on there, Given Up

For my 2d worth (old money)

Anyone who says "We must have known each other in a previous life."

People who are always ready to give advice and never take it.

Anything that appears between the covers of Kindred Spirit magazine. Especially Reiki.

Anything to do with Atlantis.




Hmmm . . . picks up book "How To Win Friends."

Dont think it is about age, or being new, or even believing in things "New Age".

For me a Fluffy is someone who does not do justice to the term pagan by researching it as much as they can. A Fluffy is someone who insults other pagans by making false claims (like calling themselves a shaman after reading a few items on the internet). I also think that a person who seems all lightness and kindness until they are challenged is someone who is closed to ideas, ie Fluffy.

Unicorns, otherkin, fairy Queens, Astral Beings........these where all debated openly on the other site. Have not seen much debate yet on this one. I think people are still touchy after the events of the last couple of months. They were all areas that many member previously regarded as fluffy.

mike

For me 'Fluffy' in all religions are those for whom 'feelings' are foremost ie. opinions, rituals, and beliefs lack any reasonable, cohesive, and coherent, debatable framework and foundation. Anyone who can say 'it's true for me' and feel happy that no one else can see their point let alone agree with it is in danger of eing termed 'fluffy'.

To me, a fluffy is someone who doesn't take the time to learn, and thinks they know it all.

It is someone who doesn't recognise the "dark side" of life / magick and is all "love and light".

It is someone who calls themselves stupid things like Lady Starry Moonflower etc. The Lady is a big part of that.

I must admit to thinking that crystals are fluffy (but very pretty). That is my opinion so please don't bash me!

What does fluffy mean to me?

Means its time to light a big bonfire and throw them all in! Muahahaha!

I personally think most of them have low self esteem so they pretend to be powerful in the hope it will boost their boring lives, give them self confidence and basically make them look like special people to the non-magic folks, with an air of 'I know something you don't know.'

BB

Fluffy

1 - covered in soft and downy fur

2 - vague and uncertain, especially when concerned with details and facts

3-in pagan terms, someone who honestly believes that reading a book is sufficient to grant them the status of craft elder. Tend to take things as black and white based on the limit of their knowledge while being unable to consider other options, even when backed up with historical evidence (see Wicca - an ancient religion, The Burning Times, etc...). Often blind to the darker aspects of Nature (see also White Lighter)


Well IMHO anyway

Kev

a white lighter, em, someone who is full of gas and easy to light

I think it's the 10" pentacle, the endless books on crystal healing, the generally vacant stare (because everything's love and light man, why think?) and the plethora of comments like

'You mean you've cursed people? B-b-but what about the rede? Please don't curse me?'


' Not all ghosts are good? But I thought they were here to protect and guide us!'

Cue shocked look. Yeah darling, because a psychopathic serial killer that tortured for fun would instantly on the point of death become a being of love and light and ready to guide you into the nearest scorpion infested pit.

Like cosmicfool, I too think they generally ignore the darker side of nature.

Mind you , I think fluffies are here for a reason. Think about the balance thing...fluffies/non fluffies.... Ok, so maybe I'm reaching

don't you mean "retching"?

Effra

No really, I do actually think there's a purpose for them, it just takes a bit of determination to find it

Yep go along with what most people have said. Fluffyness has nothing to do with age and everything to do with maturity. A fluffy is not to be confused with a newbie as a fluffy always knows it all already, usually because they learnt it in a previous life They never question or examine their beliefs and once they've latched onto an author they take everything they say as the only truth and treat all differing opinions as rubbish.
Still fluffys do make lovely soft slippers

oh my god, thats me

stormy

So yeah....er...pineapples, what do you think of them then?

Not me my nick is a rpg game character, so eh

You know, I never had heard the term fluffy before I came to this site but then I don't spend too much time intercommunicating much with other pagans apart from here It does intrigue me though. Seems as though fluffy could be taken either as lightweight - your typical " head shop " peruser, or someone that has watched a few episodes of Sabrina and Buffy and Charmed and now they're a *witch* - or as someone who pretends they have power and knowledge unending and what's worse, charges people money for services rendered. Now that's what I'd call a charlatan Kevin Fluffy Carlyon ?

I think for me it would be the pretenders and those that assert something is the one and only truth about a matter that would bug me more than someone who is into crystals and little rainbow stickers. Although I can see how the two can combine. Anyone that uses pagan beliefs or practises to try and control others for their own ego are to be pitied. My spiritual path, which has been an incredible and rich mixture of dark, light, and all grades between, is never ending and I hope to live to be a hundred and still learning.

It means that I should go and get my hair cut.

In all seriousness I get tired when the label is misapplied to anyone with a shred of optimism. I think it applies to people who aren't being honest with themselves rather than the over-enthusiastic newcomer.

I mean, if you really think that you can impress your mates by turning the "I'm so arrogant... I mean mysterious... I have more power in my little pinky than... " or the "I've read one author's opinion on witchcraft, I must know all about it, lets go and irritate pagans of 20 years by preeching my "truth" and then put my fingers in my ears and shout la lala la whenever they disagree or try and impart a bit of knowledge."

Or of course the famous "I'm a white witch, and everybody thinks I'm great, even those that say boooo when I come on stage (they are just a bit jealous) I can charge people a fortune and cast spells on nessie...

I don't think there is much harm in the whimsical types, I'm a bit more pragmatic but they are more fun to be around than those with twenty chips in their shoulders.

Spirited

To me, "fluffy" has always been best described in terms of fairies (have just realised that's the second time I've been on this subject today. Not sure why, but bear with me....)

Pretty little tinkly sparkly-winged fairies who wear flowers in their hair, grant wishes and turn up for dubious Victorian photo shoots down the bottom of peoples' gardens - that's the fluffy rendering.

Big old temperamental, and occasionally quite nasty (has anyone read "Sir Orfeo"?) buggers who nick your kiddies, drive all your cows into the lake, turn you into deer for their dogs to hunt.... quite apart from driving you insane: that's a non-fluffy rendition of a fairy for you.

(or possibly, just little blue guys who run around shouting "Nae King! Nae Quin...".)

I find it quite hard to think of a clearer way to define fluffies otherwise - I think everyone who's said that it's only seeing the light and pretty side of things is probably as close as I can get.

The "uber-fluffies" are the ones who would go after the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because it's magical, and they'd like to meet whatever else might be there, rather than the ones who don't believe in it, but but wouldn't mind if it was true because they've had a letter from their bank manager saying "We currently have 3 accounts that concern us: yours, Mexico's and Poland's. In that order."

Anyway, I also agree that they're harmless enough. They are perfectly entitled to believe what they want, just as "non-fluffies" (pricklies? spikies?) are. Maybe there's something to be said for them balancing out the equation. As long as I don't have to sit there listening to one telling me about the day they met a unicorn, or telling me how I should practice my beliefs, I have absolutely no problem with them.

To me, a fluffy is someone who reads one book and declares themselves High Priest/ess of some "ancient" coven, in which the lineage has been past down to them through past lives or something. They are basically an expert in one day.

Also, when someone who has been in The Craft for twenty odd years tries to suggest to them that perhaps something they've said is historically inaccurate or that Cerridwen may not be the snuggly white light Goddess they think she is, flufies get defensive and can become incredibly disrespectful of the other person's experience. They think they know the "truth" and this other person is trying to judge them or patronise them in some way.

There is a refusal to learn and to be educated. I find fluffies to be very set in their ways and very determined to surround everything in white light.

Angel

I am a "newbie" I guess. I've had an interest in paganism since I was about 15 (I'm now twenty three), but I've only classed myself as pagan for about a year or so.

I am interested in crystals, and reiki/complementary therapies. I don't think I have read an awful lot, comparatively, and I do so love a cup of chamomile tea!!! Am I a "fluffy"???

I totally accept the darker side of nature, and my favorite time of year is winter (I got sunburnt today and I'm bloody sick of this summer carry on- roll on Sept 21!!!) But I do try not to judge people, and I believe that what goes around comes around, so I don't hex.

I can be fluffy or prickly, it depends on the time of the month!!!

I've not really thought about it much.
I'd pretty much agree with much of what's being said. Yet at the same time I like the fluffies, these people often spark good debates.

And I rather suspect there's a bit of fluffy in us all!

I freely admit to loving Charmed, Buffy, Angel etc etc and hehehe wouldn't it be fun if magic was like it is in Charmed, (that's the fluffy in me talking! lol) but I recognise its fiction. I enjoy such programmes simply for the entertainment value, I also think its great that shows like Charmed are so popular. I dont particularly care if someone shows an interest in paganism because they've watched such shows, I would hope through reading, practising they would make real discoveries for themselves.

Its bringing paganism a little more into the mainstream, and the fluffies have a place in that I think if only because their waterdown brand of paganism at least gets an airing and opens up debate. And really who am I to tell someone I consider fluffy that what they are doing is spiritually void? Maybe for them its very fulfilling?

Wot he said!

As well as.. those that live by the rede "an ye harm none" to me is fluffy nonsense. Those that believe that in a past life they have been some mystic animal such as a dragon... "love and lighters" all fluffy and should be made into fluffy soup!

errrmm....

who's going to tell her what the F stands for...?

No one needs tell me what the F stands for Galena, I knew already just being ironic.

And err as for the earlier comments re Buffy etc, at no point did I say these shows were a bad thing, in fact I enjoy them myself, but what is a bad thing when someone watches a TV show and then translates that to being reality. I still don't think a fluffy is someone who is interested in crystals and other new age stuff, I still feel fluffy if applied to anything is applicable to charlatans, fakes and arrogant egotistical buggers all over the world of paganism/witchcraft.

I'm with Xalle and whoever it was that said


Took the words right out of my mouth

What the "fluffy debate" does for me is question meaning...
Why is it considered a young thing, and does young mean age or in relation to time spent pursuing belief? Or does it mean how for how long their path has been "valid"?
I came to my pagan base partly because it wasn't the "popular" religious view of "my way or the highway". Even if their "fluffy religion" isn't what some see as the "real way", it is to them. Maybe it doesn't seem "a religion" but to many paganism, in it's multi-faceted paths, isn't "real" either. I'm not saying people need to consider fluffy a "path", but to accept that for whatever reason it does exist in the minds of some. Call me a fluffy too, but I have been searching long enough to have the idea - what I still don't know is alot. I'm going to get really worried when I think I know it all....
As far as their lighter view of life, I think it will be taken out of them whether they want to face it or not. In my experience life, and all of its various forces, make you face your personal demons at some point; some may get to slide for longer, but it will catch them. I know of many folk that would envy a lighter view if just for awhile.
There is much controversy over "fluffy books" - I think they serve a purpose and should be read: in my opinion you cannot truly explore a path unles you read all you can, good or bad. How do you begin to form an understanding of the truths if you don't read facts that are not? To me it is one's personal duty to examine ALL you read and constantly question what you believe: not in terms of giving up your belief, but in both reinforcing WHAT you believe and defining it's parameters. If some read one and stop it is their loss - they aren't going to find any of what they are truly looking for. In a way I find that sad, to never know who you are, what your place in life is or what you can believe in your heart.
I do understand the offensive nature of the behavior, but for me, I just figure what goes around comes around..... I personally don't give up much of my time to the thought. When I do though (as in this missive) I ask myself just what my Mom would've - If you finger point at others, what about the other three? Makes me ask what it is that makes this such a sore point for myself. Something for me to meditate on. Sorry to ramble on, but I don't usually feel the need to respond; since I did it must mean this is a opening for me to examine the fact. Learn. Thanx for the incentive.

I agree with Dave...I can be just as cynical...

Anyhoo...fluffies...hmm

Fluffies are IMHO a group of teenage girlies who have watched Buffy, Sabrina etc. and then take on the ID's of the characters in these shows, thinking its major cool to be a witch, for the sole reason of casting spells and throwing curses.

Teenagers generally like to fit in, and if they can impress people by saying they are a witch or whatever then so be it...

But...

Fluffies are also according to some people within the craft, those who are new and green and still need to learn a great deal about what it means to be pagan/wiccan etc..

This is the reason I dislike the term fluffy. To me these people aren't 'fluffy', they are new, inexperienced, a beginner, etc (just like myself )

Ummm, now I don't think of inexperienced pagans as fluffy at all. We were all inexperienced at some point, and some of us still are - that doesn't make inexperienced pagans fluffy, and to be honest I think to use the term in that context is pretty deogratory too.

I don't particularly like the term at all, because far as I can see its only used in an offensive manner, even less I like it being used for wiccans. Agree or disagree with Wiccan principles that is our choice, practice or not practice wicca is our choice too, but do we really need to bash wiccans? (I'm using "we" generically). I am often quite disturbed at the amount of wiccan bashing that is seen in pagan circles - thankfully this site is more tolerant and its what attracted me.

Wiccans don't deny the presence of dark and they don't follow the rede just because they are believe only in light, love and goodness. The the harm none thing is an ideal, and truly what is so wrong with the ideal? I can't help thinking of posts where folks ask how to cancel a hex or curse because it was done out of anger and now is regretted and so forth, the wiccans have put in place a framework that hopefully will prevent such incidents. furthermore, they believe in what goes around will come around. I've heard it stated this is too much like a christain belief, although its more rooted in eastern spirituality. But even if it is, just because something has a christain foundation does that automatically mean its deriled by pagans?

I mean I'll rant with the best of em when I get emails from misguided individuals asking me if I know a spell that will allow them to fly, or to choose their mother in their next recarnation,and oh a good rant can be fun but maybe it wouldn't hurt to go a little easier on misguided individuals - some might listen some won't, but I personally feel pretty uncomfortable taking an attitude that appears almost superior.

New to the boards, fairly new to Paganism and exceedingly new to the term fluffy.

I'm a fairly fluffy human being, a fluffy youth worker (bleeding heart liberal and proud) however, as yet I don't know if I'll be a brass tack or fluffy pagan.

What fascinates me most about this debate, is whether or not 'fluffy' is a derogatory term. Surely it can only be a derogatory if you choose to empower the person using it in an offensive or demeaning manner.

Language is a fascinating thing, meaning changes and morphs. If we look to the gay community who took terms such as 'queer' made them their own (most homosexual literary theory is termed 'queer theory') and worked to change the homophobic, negative and derogatory connotations. I wonder one day I might just embrace the term fluffy...and walk tall in a Fluff pride march.

Just some ramblings

Queenie

I like Very's balanced point of view. The first time I tried to start a thread on the previous incarnation of this site, I was overrun by hordes of rampaging wild creatures shouting "Death to fluffies!", or words to that effect. When the stampede had receded, I brushed the dust off my singed fluff and allowed it to grow back, and spent many hours of hotel bedmaking cogitating on whether I was an Unfit Person or whether I had in fact anything valid to contribute to this site full of amazingly fiery and opinionated people.

The thread I started may have been ill-conceived, but if the response had been calm and reasoned and without mudslinging, all concerned would have benefited.

My current point of view is that we can all be opinionated, and we are more inclined to indulge in it when fired up by other people being opinionated. Giving someone a label such as "fluffy" is a provocative gesture. It is also lazy. If you don't like someone's attitude, tell them why, don't insult them.

It's a very human thing though isn't it, labelling and dividing the world up in to 'them' and 'us'? I don't mind it, in fact I embrace it. The world is full of light and dark, no one without the other and people are the same, why fight the urge to say 'I don't like that' in fear of giving offence? Why deny that a certain attitude annoys the hell out of you? That way stress and ulcers lie. That's not to say we have carte blance to be unpleasant to each other, I'm not when I can avoid it but mankind developed this nature for a reason.

Also, the only time I've ever heard of the inexperienced being labelled fluffy is when people say others do it. I've never actually known anyone to use the term in that way. Maybe it's just a perception rather than a reality.

This is the thing...I agree with you on this point, and would also like to add that its quite normal for people to keep things bottled up, doing this prevents us from losing face to other people we may respect...

But I personally feel that its better and necessary to voice ones opinion, esp. if it differs from the norm, because you never know...someone might agree with you, and you might learn something that you did not know in the process..

Getting into this late, here's my take on this...

There are several types of fluffy.

The first type are the ones we all were to start off with. They've read a few books, done a few web searches, and want to know more. They tend to be unsatisfied with what they've read, and want to get in contact with REAL Pagans to learn more.

The second type have read a book and swallowed it whole. They are convinced that Scott Cunningham and Silver RavenWolf et al are the foremost authorities on Paganism, and that wicca is the oldest religion on Earth, everybody should stop eating animals... they can be rescued, but it's a hard fight if you want to take the risk. They tend to be quite nice as people, but are misguided.

The third type are almost facistic in their fluffiness. They have all the traits of the second type, but will go on the attack, and start banging on about reiki, angels protecting them, love and light etc... if you even dare to suggest the there is a dark side to life they will attempt to savage you. They will not be persuaded, and will become downright vicious if challenged.

I've been on the receiving end of one of these savagings around the end of October, and the level of sheer spite was incredible. This woman was truly vicious and hid it all behind smiles and "wanting to help" as she belittled my beliefs and character, before using a twisted version of everything she had found out about me over the previous few months of knowing her to attack more.

It was a truly fascinating experience. Luckily for her, I am capable of huge degrees of control, or else it would have got seriously ugly. As it was, since I was a guest in her house, I left as soon as I could.

T

Ah yes; maybe that's the crux - it may not be any of the belief system being used but the actual person using it. I have found peraonally that sh*++y people are everywhere and use all sort of excuses to spread their crap around. It sounds as though some members have met up w/ ones using Wicca as their means of a trowel.
Little people w/ littler minds and big big lousy attitude! Not that much different than any other zealot who tries to shove their belief down someone else's throat in my book - I notice their use of what religion they practice doesn't matter; it's the same basic issue: My Way is the ONLY true way.
Their only real belief is that they're RIGHT.
Yep, another righteous bigot.
I would guess most people labeled (I despise that word!! ) "fluffy" don't fall into this category, but meet one that does and it no doubt colors your perception of all. Human nature.
As a solitary this forum is the most interaction I get; sometimes I think I'm lucky, sometimes I think I may miss some things....

being new to something doesnt mean fluffy, we all started somewhere.
everyone has their own fluffy types.
i see fluffy as being someone who stil thinks charmed is real, they know a dragon called gary who lives down the road, they dont believe in anything bad can hapen to them as long as they send love and light in every direction and they are never willing to admit to being wrong. but their way is the only way.
most fluffys grow out of it.

LOL I think if I came across someone who thought Charmed was real, I doubt I'd think they were being "fluffy" I'd rather wonder about their mental health!

I admire your restraint Thunarr!
Its a shame this woman was apparently so hellbent on pointing out your preceived spiritual wrongs; that she missed a wonderful opportunity to have a great discussion and learn something new!
Besides what you describe is just plain rude of her, she took advantage of the fact you were a guest!

I agree with Thunarr's definition (and btw I think you exercised great self restraint in not unleashing ragnarok on yon lady's undeserving head!)

However I would note that there is yet another type of fluffy, as yet undescribed- being 'ye master/mystresse of ye darke pathe' (spelling is as ever optional)

You know the type I'm sure. Rather than being full of white light and dolphin love, they profess a deep and meaningful realtionships with the 'dark gods', and frequently proclaim themselves to be the epitome of a proper pagan. They practices tend to be heavy on the hexing (or they spend a lot of time asking how to do it), reading of 'dark books' and boasting about the various entities that they have bested in their 2 weeks of pagan experience.

They tend to look down on anyone who isn't devoted to the 'left hand path', will mutter mysteriously about ancient teachers, ordeals and blood sealed secrecy if questioned about their sources for the crap that they spew. Any challenges are likely to be met with threats of awful curses, nocturnal visits from a variety of buffyesque monsters, and finally by a hysterical denunciation of the challenger and his/her beliefs/lifestyle/family/appearance/heritage. They will then leave the site/moot very publically (though they will pop back frequently just to see whether the challenger might be begging for forgiveness) and go and milk their tale of woe on as many sites/moots as are willing to let their sorry arses in.

Can you tell that I REALLY don't like them?

Let it all out Drach hon

I'm with you there, was thinking this morning we hadn't listed the Dark Fluff yet. Ta

Being as I am quite new to this site, and i am beginning to read some of the other threads other than my own which I started up about Paganism and the Crop Circles... and as far as Paganism is concerned, I could be accused of being 'Fluffy', if I understand the term correctly... but thats ok! But all the same I think Pagans should be paying attention to the crop circles... there is TRUTH that can be found that will set you free permanently if one has the courage to investigate them and study their meaning. The nature of our consciousness is duality. There is another side to our consciousness that exists, its our 'positive' side... its the side we try to access when we do 'magik'... for example. If we could 'exist' there permanently, then there would be no more requirement to do 'Magik', in fact there is no more requirement to do 'anything' in order to try and escape from a negative reality, for our 'reality' has changed... we have become positive.

Heres a crop circle found right next to the Stones at Avebury, Wiltshire.
It appeared on Summer Soltice Night / Day (June 21st) in 2003. There were hundreds of witnesses there that night camping at Avebury and celebrating who saw 'nothing'....

http://home.cropcircleresearch.com/cc-photos/uk2003at.jpg

For me, this formation represents the nature of our duality... how there is a 'pendulum' that swings from negative to positive....everything is simply a matter of perception... but if we could finally understand what this really means in our minds and conquer it.... part of the deal is "acceptance" that we do indeed 'exist' in a strange, magical universe.

You know I cant believe that many Pagans do not find any connections here at all to their beliefs... The crop circles are very spiritual 'things'...

Anyway Welcome everyone to 2005...!

Celtic King. As a site moderator I must state that we insist that you confine your discussion of crop circles entirely to the thread that you started on the subject.
Do not hijack other topics.
Thank you.
Dave

Bugger. This isn't the Brass Tacks Forum so I have to be really polite...

For the love of the Gods... CK - give the CC thing a rest. You've done the subject to death on the "New Age" Forum which is where any link to Paganism (none) has been discussed ad nauseam. Are you going to attempt to hijack EVERY thread? If you want to discuss paganism then stop trying to twist everything round to being CC related. It's getting really, really boring.


Getting firmly back on topic...



Brilliant! Also known as "eejit".

To me a Fluffy (as opposed to a "Darke Fluffy"!) is not someone new, or inexperienced. It's someone who is totally out of balance - who cannot (or will not) acknowledge the dark in all of us, in all of nature, which is absolutely crucial for us to experience "light". Who would rather believe that Paganism is full of unicorns, white light, and love healing all. Purlease...

CK, Watch it.


Pomona, yup fluff, dark fluff all an inability to respect the balance of life.