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5 hours ago, hedgerose said:

I have, or maybe had, a crow. I have interacted with him in meditations and dreams. But spiritually, I went through an odd patch around the change of life, adjusting to the upheaval. A time of necessary change, and things do tend to shuffle and change position and priority. As a result, the bond I had with him has not been as strong in recent years, he's still there in the background, but seems to have withdrawn. I have been getting the sense of something much smaller, still a bird I think, but I'm not certain, whoever it is hasn't made themselves known fully yet. But something has been tugging at the edge of my awareness recently. 

In lockdown, I am lucky the area supports a lot of wildlife, despite being urban, I'm on the edge of semi rural part. I pay attention to the birds and the trees, I even saw a fox the other morning. There is also the river, which has been important to my family for years. My father as a boy, and myself with the children, have lived near the Ely river along different stretches of it, but within a short walk away. Now I'm right at the mouth, nearest I've ever been. (There are cycle paths along there apparently, but I wouldn't like to tackle them without help. Someone who can advise me I'm too close to the edge, grab me if I wobble and if necessary jump in after me. Perhaps not, then.) Part of the unexpected consequence of all this has been the tightening of focus on a restricted area, and more wildlife has been encouraged by the quiet streets to wander closer to us than before. Things do seem to be picking up though, even here, so that probably won't last much longer.

 

Rose , your post was so well expressed, the way you described it made me see it with my mental eye!

I am Fortunate to live closer to the country side. Closer to the country side meaning not on the main land but on one of the islands on the west coast. If I write or say "I live on an island! I have the feeling people tend to expect Im in the middle of nowhere and  have to row to get my shopping or something.. But no, there is a LOT of urban life which I wot talk about in this post. Id like to express my gratitude to the landscapes I have nearby. Your story about wildlife is one I deeply care about. 

We should leave the wildlife as it is. If we would then more animals would return to the wild, the same with the flora and fauna. I used to live closer to wild nature where I could see eagles soaring. Sometimes an owl visited my garden. There was a wild streaming river which I miss still. The sound of it was like nothing else. There also is an area where you can walk which has lakes and you come to this hairpin path going up and look into a fabulous landscape. If the local community would advertise for it I am sure this would be a route that would be visited even more. Not many take the whole route though cause its a steep one.  

A local farmer said he has seen the Gaupe, or norwegian lynx there. This is a very small version of a lynx so its really like a big cat. How i would love to see one of these in its natural environment. Seeing these animals return to the local wildlife is great. Lets hope we humans will keep it this way!

I have, or maybe had, a crow. I have interacted with him in meditations and dreams. But spiritually, I went through an odd patch around the change of life, adjusting to the upheaval. A time of necessary change, and things do tend to shuffle and change position and priority. As a result, the bond I had with him has not been as strong in recent years, he's still there in the background, but seems to have withdrawn. I have been getting the sense of something much smaller, still a bird I think, but I'm not certain, whoever it is hasn't made themselves known fully yet. But something has been tugging at the edge of my awareness recently. 

In lockdown, I am lucky the area supports a lot of wildlife, despite being urban, I'm on the edge of semi rural part. I pay attention to the birds and the trees, I even saw a fox the other morning. There is also the river, which has been important to my family for years. My father as a boy, and myself with the children, have lived near the Ely river along different stretches of it, but within a short walk away. Now I'm right at the mouth, nearest I've ever been. (There are cycle paths along there apparently, but I wouldn't like to tackle them without help. Someone who can advise me I'm too close to the edge, grab me if I wobble and if necessary jump in after me. Perhaps not, then.) Part of the unexpected consequence of all this has been the tightening of focus on a restricted area, and more wildlife has been encouraged by the quiet streets to wander closer to us than before. Things do seem to be picking up though, even here, so that probably won't last much longer.

 

Yes I have some sacred animals whom I seek guidance from and some of these give me new inspiration. One of te most powerful impressions was when i was a child. We went to this pond in the forest. It was a warm summers day and above the heat the sun shone  pearlescent light upon the water. Dragonflies were dancing hanging on the invisible strings of that moment so Id choose them. they have literally opened my eyes by showing their humble beauty.

Surrly all this has something to do with quantum?

(My idea of doing your funny but am actually being serious too 🤔🤓)

Edited May 14 by Earthdragon

Warning.  Boring old fart taking centre stage.  No fun involved. Feel free to ignore.

It's just that somewhere above in this interminable thread, I quoted Tegmark (2018) on mattter and consciousness and suggested that a conscious universe was a logical extension of his conjecture.

The cover article above moves forward with some mathematical conjectures and conjectural models for consciousness from several mathematicians.

It might back my view of Pantheism - it could explain a thought that I had about 30 years ago that human/DNA consciousness might eclipse the universal consciousness.  However,  I have always said that ideas are ten a penny.  It's only when either the maths backs them up or they become predictive that they are of any use.  

This article might demonstrate Pantheism but at least one of the models might more usefully demonstrate animism.  Throughout the article work which contradicts or rejects the above is quoted, referenced and included.

Its just conjecture but a step that helps my ever changing thinking regarding my belief set.

please someone - say something funny!!!!!!

5 hours ago, Moonsmith said:

For reference only.

Can't get more than the avoce - can ou precis the contents and the pointy of discussion?

 

For reference only.

Regarding being simultaneously detached and involved, I normally feel that there is no such thing as objectivity so, if I were being consistent, I would argue that you, the pendulum and the thing you're dowsing (the dowsee?) are all inseparable parts of the same system. Fortunately, consistency isn't a strong point with me. I'll therefore speculate that the purpose of dowsing is to learn something about the dowsee, not just to learn more about yourself or the overall system. I think that's how I'd resolve the detachment/involvement paradox - I'd think about what I was setting out to achieve and I'd be ok with an assumption that the dowser and the dowsee were potentially independent of each other.