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How To Tell If A Teaching/group Is Authentic?
Ellinas replied to Earthdragon's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
What is "pure" or "purity", and how would one recognise it? -
How To Tell If A Teaching/group Is Authentic?
OdinsDaughter64 replied to Earthdragon's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
Here are my thoughts about this topic, Authentic most likely exists and there are many great groups, bigger or smaller ones. I would say that a good leader is half of the group. Sometimes it does happen that maybe a group is based upon a pure thing though the group has their own (sometimes even hidden) rules or that they are very selective into whom they allow into their group. For me its really also about this purity, it has to come from within them to have a set of shared beliefs. Creating this bond goes deeper than preforming a ritual or ceremony together. the purer the deeper and the more the group dynamics and common energies can be used for the bennifit of the whole group. The reason that i am no memeber of any group is that I find some to do opposite things as what they claim to stand for. And I feel that sometimes they exclude others too due to a very tight set of rules. In all respect this is by no means any personal critiscism. It is healthy to ration or reason but if your intuition is aligned than that can be a valid concept too. I think this choice is all rather personal. Another thing is that one should look at what the purpose is to join a group. In my humble oppinion magical work or healing work can not just be "taught". In some ways people connect a system of levels, degrees, a certificate to it. Remember that in the old times it took a lifetime to become a shaman, a druid, a healer etc. Many a times people were born into a linneage of shamans, healers, witches. The modern times and internet has allowed us bare simple humans to gaze into the crystal ball and there is a world of mazes out there. Now it doesnt matter to receive any certifacate or so. Though for me that would be a sign to internally invest a group. Because some groups only offer theoretical knowledge that one can also find in books. The real learning is into blending. And it also involves your own personal queste, your journey, your life. Through any group work be it magical, healing or other, the layers of the self are peeled off. This can involve stirring, emotions, transcendent and transformational shards of the process. Therefore good leaders and assistants are needed. One has to be aligned with the other members of the group and take care of any part. I would say encouragement and a possitive approach are important. i have seem miracles unfold in the heart of a group. But i have also seen chaos. Greets Anne -
How To Tell If A Teaching/group Is Authentic?
moonwolf replied to Earthdragon's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
Ask questions and if you get answers or more questions maybe you found a group that may have some worth -
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Do You Have A Sacred Animal?
OdinsDaughter64 replied to fizzyclare1's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
Rose , your post was so well expressed, the way you described it made me see it with my mental eye! I am Fortunate to live closer to the country side. Closer to the country side meaning not on the main land but on one of the islands on the west coast. If I write or say "I live on an island! I have the feeling people tend to expect Im in the middle of nowhere and have to row to get my shopping or something.. But no, there is a LOT of urban life which I wot talk about in this post. Id like to express my gratitude to the landscapes I have nearby. Your story about wildlife is one I deeply care about. We should leave the wildlife as it is. If we would then more animals would return to the wild, the same with the flora and fauna. I used to live closer to wild nature where I could see eagles soaring. Sometimes an owl visited my garden. There was a wild streaming river which I miss still. The sound of it was like nothing else. There also is an area where you can walk which has lakes and you come to this hairpin path going up and look into a fabulous landscape. If the local community would advertise for it I am sure this would be a route that would be visited even more. Not many take the whole route though cause its a steep one. A local farmer said he has seen the Gaupe, or norwegian lynx there. This is a very small version of a lynx so its really like a big cat. How i would love to see one of these in its natural environment. Seeing these animals return to the local wildlife is great. Lets hope we humans will keep it this way! -
I have, or maybe had, a crow. I have interacted with him in meditations and dreams. But spiritually, I went through an odd patch around the change of life, adjusting to the upheaval. A time of necessary change, and things do tend to shuffle and change position and priority. As a result, the bond I had with him has not been as strong in recent years, he's still there in the background, but seems to have withdrawn. I have been getting the sense of something much smaller, still a bird I think, but I'm not certain, whoever it is hasn't made themselves known fully yet. But something has been tugging at the edge of my awareness recently. In lockdown, I am lucky the area supports a lot of wildlife, despite being urban, I'm on the edge of semi rural part. I pay attention to the birds and the trees, I even saw a fox the other morning. There is also the river, which has been important to my family for years. My father as a boy, and myself with the children, have lived near the Ely river along different stretches of it, but within a short walk away. Now I'm right at the mouth, nearest I've ever been. (There are cycle paths along there apparently, but I wouldn't like to tackle them without help. Someone who can advise me I'm too close to the edge, grab me if I wobble and if necessary jump in after me. Perhaps not, then.) Part of the unexpected consequence of all this has been the tightening of focus on a restricted area, and more wildlife has been encouraged by the quiet streets to wander closer to us than before. Things do seem to be picking up though, even here, so that probably won't last much longer.
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Do You Have A Sacred Animal?
OdinsDaughter64 replied to fizzyclare1's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
Yes I have some sacred animals whom I seek guidance from and some of these give me new inspiration. One of te most powerful impressions was when i was a child. We went to this pond in the forest. It was a warm summers day and above the heat the sun shone pearlescent light upon the water. Dragonflies were dancing hanging on the invisible strings of that moment so Id choose them. they have literally opened my eyes by showing their humble beauty. -
Surrly all this has something to do with quantum? (My idea of doing your funny but am actually being serious too 🤔🤓)
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Warning. Boring old fart taking centre stage. No fun involved. Feel free to ignore. It's just that somewhere above in this interminable thread, I quoted Tegmark (2018) on mattter and consciousness and suggested that a conscious universe was a logical extension of his conjecture. The cover article above moves forward with some mathematical conjectures and conjectural models for consciousness from several mathematicians. It might back my view of Pantheism - it could explain a thought that I had about 30 years ago that human/DNA consciousness might eclipse the universal consciousness. However, I have always said that ideas are ten a penny. It's only when either the maths backs them up or they become predictive that they are of any use. This article might demonstrate Pantheism but at least one of the models might more usefully demonstrate animism. Throughout the article work which contradicts or rejects the above is quoted, referenced and included. Its just conjecture but a step that helps my ever changing thinking regarding my belief set. please someone - say something funny!!!!!!
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Can't get more than the avoce - can ou precis the contents and the pointy of discussion?
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For reference only.
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Regarding being simultaneously detached and involved, I normally feel that there is no such thing as objectivity so, if I were being consistent, I would argue that you, the pendulum and the thing you're dowsing (the dowsee?) are all inseparable parts of the same system. Fortunately, consistency isn't a strong point with me. I'll therefore speculate that the purpose of dowsing is to learn something about the dowsee, not just to learn more about yourself or the overall system. I think that's how I'd resolve the detachment/involvement paradox - I'd think about what I was setting out to achieve and I'd be ok with an assumption that the dowser and the dowsee were potentially independent of each other.
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That's interesting to hear. I practise Druidism and the key aspect of the Druid mindset is that of being detached. It's one of those paradoxes that one tries to be as involved with one's Paganism as possible and yet at the same time try to be detached What things do you use the pendulum for may I ask? 😄
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Hi Maeve, I too was taught a method probably about 8 or 9 years ago. I have rarely used it though a few years back I mentioned to some friends who have not practiced or witnessed anything like dowsing. I asked one to ask me questions that only he knew the answer to. To their surprise my dowsing with the pendulum gave correct answers. Is there any specific kind of knowledge that you choose to use the pendulum for?
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There are ways of holding out the pendulum, to get minimum or no personal interference. I was taught the method many years ago and it takes a while or practice before it becomes infallible! I can't write how it is done - it needs to be demonstrated 🙂
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Hi - I've used a pendulum in crystal therapy and always had excellent results but for personal use I find I that i can influence the pendulum if you want a certain result so best to try and not form an attachment to the outcome 😊
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I've tried it once or twice, but not properly. I own 2, so perhaps I will try again in the future
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I've dabbled with it but not recently. Never taken it far enough to work out if there are any pitfalls. It's just a curiosity. I would use an old house key tied to one end of a length of leather.
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How To Tell If A Teaching/group Is Authentic?
Ellinas replied to Earthdragon's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
I think we may be at cross purposes - this may not be the puzzle you seem to take it to be. You need to read the previous sentences as well I'm not actually focusing on "current consistency". Rather, my main point is that "truth" is purely subjective to every individual at any given point of time. What I believe today may be very different to what I believed yesterday. Certainly it is utterly different to what I believed around 2 decades back. It may prove to be very different to what I believe tomorrow. It is the consistency between those changing beliefs I had in view primarily. In a logical argument, consistency over time may well appear to strengthen a position - at the very least, differences need to be readily explicable in logical terms, itself an aspect of what may be deemed consistent. However, if an individual decides to change their belief system, each system may well be as internally coherent as the other, whilst being mutually exclusive and inconsistent. That does not matter Consistency over time is not an issue in a purely subjective preference. Its only force is in terms of whatever reasoning underlies the current beliefs - but that does not exclude coherent reasoning underlying the previous belief system, even though that is inconsistent with the current belief system. To put it more simply, doesn't matter if you have changed beliefs, however radically or to something that is inconsistent with previous beliefs. However, it is good to have an understanding of why the current belief system is right for you - just as it was good to understand why the previous was right for you at the time. -
Just wondered if any present members of the site use pendulum dowsing and if so how do you find it? Is it useful in practical or spiritual ways or both? Any pitfalls or difficulties with pendulum dowsing that you have experienced? Is it an evolving practice?
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How To Tell If A Teaching/group Is Authentic?
Earthdragon replied to Earthdragon's topic in Starters Orders (basics)
I seem to be saying much the same , yes. Could you possibly explain the concept of consistency in your statement below? What is it that needs to be be consistent in reflecting one's current beliefs? -
As I do not, generally, take much notice of the calendar, I did nothing Beltane related. Much the same as last year. Probably the same as next year.
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Coordinated our ritual with the rest of the grove by using WhatsApp messages. Dragged a large stone across to the site if the stone circle-to-be, lined up the latest post to go in with Beltane sunrise . Enjoyed a picnic in the lea of a pallet fence beside our cabbages entertained by the bird calls. As sunset approached wandered and looked at the Rowan, blackthorn, hazel and hawthorn that are growing on the croft.
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I went out to light the fire but it still isn't Beltane here. The May is half out and half in bud. The holly won't be long - a week, maybe ten days to Beltane in midlands. (I'm not back, I'm shouting. Also I am delighted to see you here Maeve)
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So people - what did you all actually do? 🙂 We are now in our 70s and supposed to be extra vulnerable - we don't feel like that but we are obeying the rules, staying at home, only going out to get food and then with masks! For Beltane, we would usually meet up with our coven members ( who live in various parts of England and may no more travel than can we) we lit candles and the chiminea and paid silent homage to the gods with whom we are in contact. Some of our members are averse to conference calling on the internet, but we did speak to those we could who did similar things. I do not think it is essential to "do" something, outside of our own acknowledgement of the turning of the wheel of the year. We appreciate nature all the time - as it births and blossoms to harvest, autumn and winter. It is always special to join with others in celebration and that time will come again .. these unpleasant restrictions will pass but Nature goes on regardless - and in the cleaner air, thrives!
