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What's My Path? - You tell me, I don't like hard decisions

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Guest thebanringwanderer
It's a good starting point, even if it means you find out what you don't agree with at the outset.

 

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I've always respected Silver Ravenwolf for reaching out to people, especially younger ones. She offers a healthy approach in earth awareness without making appreciation of the planet a steep learning curve.

 

Then again I admit to really liking Fiona Horne's writting too. :D

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Fortuna

I don't normally go in for the "wot he said" type post, but Cos' post was so good I just cant resist........Wot he said!

 

Why bother with "witchy" books at this stage. You know you could do a lot worse than read some books which are not specifically pagan. Why not immerse yourself in folk customs, history, books about nature and so on. If you are at an early stage of your pagan path why not take the time to just soak it in. The problem with identifying a specific path because you feel some sort of pressure is that you may find you chose poorly. For instance, many who start as solitary Wiccans (often because of the plethora of books on it) soon re-evaluate and end up following a different path altogether.

 

If it is witchraft you are interested in, then don't feel you need a pantheon at all. Neither do you need to enact rituals, wear robes (or not depending on the author).......just chill out and see where the stream takes you before you take up the oars. I'm all metaphored out now.

 

Good luck Chris.

 

mike

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Guest bobbydazzler
see where the stream takes you before you take up the oars.

 

i really like this idea.

 

i was like you for a long time, needed to feel a part of something.... you feel like you are missing something or searching for some divine knowledge.

 

i found the best thing to have is patience, give it time and thought without pressurising yourself and it will come, and probably quicker than you think.

 

 

remember the published paths arnt the only paths possible for you to follow. the people who started them were just like you at one point.

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Guest Nemesys

Long live Cosmic_Fool, master of the ancient martial art of hitting the nail right on the head.

 

Paths are for people who know where they're going. Fortuna's suggestion that you immerse yourself in everything about a path except the actual practice/doctrine will probably do you a lot better than basing your decision on the practicalities involved. Sooner or later you'll come across a myth or a moment that really strikes you, and that's it! bam!

 

As for the RavenWolf woman... she writes well enough, but she perpetrates the ridiculous persecution complex shared by a lot of young Wiccans, and she tries to sell them enlightenment in a can and power on a stick. It's the religious equivalent of a mail-order degree - quick, easy and not terribly rewarding.

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Guest baron22

Hi all,

 

Brand new to this whole 'opening my mind to anything but atheism' thing. Atheism can be nice (being bad without fear of eternal damnation is liberating), but obviously kind of spiritually empty.

 

The thought of a strictly organised major religion never appealed, but I love being out in nature and take wonder in that - so I guess venerating or even worshipping aspects of that wouldn't be too much of a leap from simply thinking they're nice, and some of the ideas of paganism seem to be the perfect fit for me.

 

But which path? I don't really know much about any of them. Can someone point me in the direction of a listing of these paths which summarise their beliefs? A nice colour brochure would be great! :blink:

 

Thanks for any help you can give!

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Cosmic_Fool

Its now a trifle out of date, but here is my (rather was my) take on some of the main paths - http://cosmic.fool.users.btopenworld.com/paganism.html but it should give you some idea.

 

The site is as I said out of date and a new revised one will be up shortly on http://foolsparadox.co.uk

 

Kev - never one to know when not to blow his own trombone

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Guest evermorelong

your path

it generally will find you, (corny i know)

lots of pagans and witches will testify to this

so it was never a matter of picking which brand we liked the look of!

the east or west poles are a good place to start so said the great sage henrys cat

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Guest baron22

Thank you for your guidance.

 

Cosmic_Fool - The site was very interesting and informative and I'm glad I read it - gave me a few pointers and I'm sure a basic understanding of paths I don't intend to follow will be helpful in socialising in this forum!

 

Aimee - Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look for it in town - too impatient to wait for online deliveries!

 

evermorelong - Thanks for your advice, and I am starting to feel a 'pull' in one direction, which isn't really to do with picking and choosing the one I want.

 

I guess I'm most drawn to Celtic mythology. Am I right in thinking (hazy history knowledge) that the Celts used to occupy all of Britain, and the reason they are mostly associated with Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Cornwall is that these were the last surviving pockets of the religion after the Roman invasion?

 

The reason I ask is that I would like to go to a forest, etc. and worship gods that may have been worshipped on that ground before. I know some people may think that I am limiting myself too much by geography, but I'm sure I would feel a stronger connection. So I want to know that Celtic religion was practiced in England too!

 

Also - is there a difference between a modern pagan who follows the Celtic religion (is there a name for such a person? Celt seems to imply biological descent?) and modern Druids? As I understand it, Druids were a separate order in Celtic times. So I'm asking - if I followed the Celtic religion, would I be a druid?

 

Thanks again for your help!

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Cosmic_Fool

when* the new site gets up it will be better :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

*when is an interesting word, and doesn't imply a time limit :unsure:

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Guest celticheart

Hi Baron.

Idon't know the answer to that one but i'm in the same situation so if i find out anything i'll let you know.

Celticheart x :)

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Guest lupine_NickT

"Celtic" tribes covered pretty much the whole of Britain - for instance, Yorkshire (where I am!) was mostly Brigante territory. This map gives a general overview - it looks "about right" to me, although I'm no expert.

 

My own personal experience of 'oop north' (although this is mostly limited to Yorkshire) is that the land has a more 'Anglo-Saxon' feel to it; this is, I suspect, partly due to the effects of the Danelaw. Your mileage may vary, however, and if you can reach below those layers to the Celtic "section", it could be very rewarding.

 

Know what you mean about the "deadness" of atheism, incidentally - that's partly what drove me from it's comfortable, rational confines :). So go where your heart takes you - and keep an open mind.

 

xF,

 

...Nick

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Guest very
The reason I ask is that I would like to go to a forest, etc. and worship gods that may have been worshipped on that ground before. I know some people may think that I am limiting myself too much by geography, but I'm sure I would feel a stronger connection. So I want to know that Celtic religion was practiced in England too

 

Personally, I believe it's the best way to go. You may at a later date become interested in a "foreign" pantheon and pagan system and incorporate that into your own path, however initially, I have a firm belief that we need to look to where we live first; the feel the land where we live, get to know it and any Gods /Spirits etc if that is way you wish to go.

 

Sometimes a newbie, for wont of a better word, to paganism will go for the exotic... nothing especially wrong with that, I just feel most people will have a better afinity for their own land and traditions..a nd well it seems a shame to ignore our (talking of Britian here) rich history and traditions.

 

I would thoroughly recommend reading a couple of Ronald Hutton's book too on the history of Paganism- it's really quite easy to get drawn in with the pseudo-history that many pagan authors trott out.

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Guest arctic wolf

Sorry. I don't think it is up to anyone here to tell you your path. Trying to ask for us to find it for you isn't going to work. Hence most people have just let you know where you can find out more for yourself. It is your path not ours, it is for you to find it. You will find it , or it will find you soon enough. Don't you worry about it. If it takes you a while again don't worry. Sometimes the journey to get to a place is the thing which is the most important, not the actually being there. That is why it is called your path. It is a journey you take, and you are already on it; whether you are aware of it or not . Where you take it next ? Well, thats your choice.

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Sorry. I don't think it is up to anyone here to tell you your path. Trying to ask for us to find it for you isn't going to work. Hence most people have just let you know where you can find out more for yourself. It is your path not ours, it is for you to find it. You will find it , or it will find you soon enough. Don't you worry about it. If it takes you a while again don't worry. Sometimes the journey to get to a place is the thing which is the most important, not the actually being there. That is why it is called your path. It is a journey you take, and you are already on it; whether you are aware of it or not . Where you take it next ? Well, thats your choice.

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very true. the journey is yours to take. nobody should tell you what to do or it wont be the right choice. :o_bounce3: :D :D :)

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Guest Aelfsige
Sometimes a newbie, for wont of a better word, to paganism will go for the exotic... nothing especially wrong with that, I just feel most people will have a better afinity for their own land and traditions..a nd well it seems a shame to ignore our (talking of Britian here) rich history and traditions.

 

Have to agree with you there Very, it's an affinity with "my" land that has pushed me towards learning more about Paganism and following that path. There have been a number of occasions, whilst being in the Welsh mountains or deep in ancient woodlands, where I have felt an active spiritual stirring. As someone who would declare himself unequivicably as a newby, I do not feel drawn towards the "exotic" but more towards the paths that were woven through our history and tradition, as well as being felt amongst British geography.

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Guest Tilia

It's interesting you say that you feel it in the Welsh mountains, yet you are from Essex. Are you Welsh? Is there anywhere in Essex you feel that stirring?

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Guest Aelfsige
It's interesting you say that you feel it in the Welsh mountains, yet you are from Essex. Are you Welsh? Is there anywhere in Essex you feel that stirring?

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As far as Im aware I have no Welsh in me (and to be precise I'm from Kent originally!!) but it's just the feeling I've experienced amongst the mountains. A similar feeling/stirring I have found in a large ancient wood near me. To be honest the stirrings I've felt in the mountains I kind of almost dismissed as being down to the adrenaline of the climb, excitement of being on holiday but a recent walk in the woods found the feelings returning. I suppose then I started realising that the feeling was real and my longstanding interest in "Paganism" came to the front of my thoughts again.

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Guest Tilia

Oh good, I'm glad you can find it nearer to home. I asked because I got a really ??? don't know ??? some kind of feeling in Essex. I was really surprised at how beautiful the Essex countryside is.

 

It had a lovely "old" feeling to it, is I think is what I mean. It was a kind of old man at the allotment kind of feel. Weary-wise and sad to see things changing. A suck on his pipe and raise an eyebrow but always got a twinkle in his eye and a kindly smile kind of feel.

 

I've just read that back and I' laughing at myself now. But does any of that make sense to you?

 

To anybody?

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Guest Wotan
Sorry. I don't think it is up to anyone here to tell you your path. Trying to ask for us to find it for you isn't going to work. Hence most people have just let you know where you can find out more for yourself. It is your path not ours, it is for you to find it. You will find it , or it will find you soon enough. Don't you worry about it. If it takes you a while again don't worry. Sometimes the journey to get to a place is the thing which is the most important, not the actually being there. That is why it is called your path. It is a journey you take, and you are already on it; whether you are aware of it or not . Where you take it next ? Well, thats your choice.

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very true. the journey is yours to take. nobody should tell you what to do or it wont be the right choice. :) :) :) :)

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Hi.It appears the capital W is employed to distinguish 'ye olde witchcraft' from that of modern neo-pagan witchcraft or 'Wicca'.Little evidence can be found for a claimed 'Old Religion' existing alongside Christianity and there is no evidence that the claims,or practices of todays organised groups pre-date 1949.It has been well attested elsewhere that Wicca did not exist before Gerald Gardner constructed it.All arguements aimed at proving otherwise,have been,will be untenable an rather embarrasing.

Equally,no evidence is currently available to suggest any continuance of an 'old' witchcraft.For the most part the idea that witches formed covens,secret groups where within an oral tradition was maintained,practised and passed down by way of any bloodline or family link,is a relatively modern notion.

Most sources for the claims can be traced to depository evidences extracted from the so-called Witch Trials.Yet even these have been elaborated upon in order to affix the ideologies onto a framework of revivalism/reconstruction.

I have looked over some of the items relevant to this issue and can find here nothing outside the pattern which is so familiar.

There is nothing wrong with wishful thinking and whilst I cannot accept the claims beyond evidence,I concede these ideas form part of a new religious belief system and I am content with that.

Hope this helps.

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Guest Tilia
Sorry. I don't think it is up to anyone here to tell you your path. Trying to ask for us to find it for you isn't going to work. Hence most people have just let you know where you can find out more for yourself. It is your path not ours, it is for you to find it. You will find it , or it will find you soon enough. Don't you worry about it. If it takes you a while again don't worry. Sometimes the journey to get to a place is the thing which is the most important, not the actually being there. That is why it is called your path. It is a journey you take, and you are already on it; whether you are aware of it or not . Where you take it next ? Well, thats your choice.

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very true. the journey is yours to take. nobody should tell you what to do or it wont be the right choice. :) :) :) :)

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Hi.It appears the capital W is employed to distinguish 'ye olde witchcraft' from that of modern neo-pagan witchcraft or 'Wicca'.Little evidence can be found for a claimed 'Old Religion' existing alongside Christianity and there is no evidence that the claims,or practices of todays organised groups pre-date 1949.It has been well attested elsewhere that Wicca did not exist before Gerald Gardner constructed it.All arguements aimed at proving otherwise,have been,will be untenable an rather embarrasing.

Equally,no evidence is currently available to suggest any continuance of an 'old' witchcraft.For the most part the idea that witches formed covens,secret groups where within an oral tradition was maintained,practised and passed down by way of any bloodline or family link,is a relatively modern notion.

Most sources for the claims can be traced to depository evidences extracted from the so-called Witch Trials.Yet even these have been elaborated upon in order to affix the ideologies onto a framework of revivalism/reconstruction.

I have looked over some of the items relevant to this issue and can find here nothing outside the pattern which is so familiar.

There is nothing wrong with wishful thinking and whilst I cannot accept the claims beyond evidence,I concede these ideas form part of a new religious belief system and I am content with that.

Hope this helps.

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Eehmm. not sure how that comment relates to the general discussion. Have you posted in the wrong place?

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Guest Midori

Many folks start off with wicca, because it's the easiest path to find reading matter on, whether good or bad. Once they can start interacting with other Pagans, at Moots for instance, they find that many possibilities open up for them. At the moment don't limit yourself, try to join up with a local Moot and explore the possibiities before settling on a particular path.

 

cheers Midori

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Guest Metacognition
Hi all,

 

Brand new to this whole 'opening my mind to anything but atheism' thing. Atheism can be nice (being bad without fear of eternal damnation is liberating), but obviously kind of spiritually empty.

 

The thought of a strictly organised major religion never appealed, but I love being out in nature and take wonder in that - so I guess venerating or even worshipping aspects of that wouldn't be too much of a leap from simply thinking they're nice, and some of the ideas of paganism seem to be the perfect fit for me.

 

But which path? I don't really know much about any of them. Can someone point me in the direction of a listing of these paths which summarise their beliefs? A nice colour brochure would be great!  :lol:

 

Thanks for any help you can give!

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Nothing wrong with atheism, chief. I somehow manage to be both atheist, pantheist and Pagan all at the same time, and it doesn't confuse me anymore.

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Guest JoFreyja
wow im impressed :D

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I am so impressed that i am adding it to my favorites and if any 1 else has any good web sites for us newbies it would be really apprehiated

 

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Guest applestar

Essex has some lovely and powerful woodlands - I grew up next to one patch, and it has had a powerful effect on various members of my family (although I've managed to escape it to some extent).

 

Back to paths - yep, you won't it, it will find you, from someone who is currently wearing the T-shirt :o_beer:

 

:D

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Guest scarlet

I personally as someone very new to all this stuff think that you shouldn't think about following a path and worrying about it you should let the right way for you find you.

 

For me its about nature, the earth and the moon and that everything is in cycles which is why the seasons are so important and it all goes hand in hand if that makes any sense. So while you have sun you have rain, heat, cold, life, death etc etc and they are all as important as each other I really do believe that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and your bad experiences are just as important as the good. Does that ring true for anyone else?

 

I didnt think I was a pagan I didn't have a name for it but I know that I believe in the supernatural and reincarnation, I always had a problem with chritianity because I couldn't see my way through the contradictions in the bible and I couldn't get my head round the way god is a man and women are weak (garden of eden anyone). I'm not sure to be honest whether I think there are loads of gods or whether I think that there is a universal being but I see male and female in everything and its complementary I don't see one as being superior to the other.

 

I think its good to read round but its quite difficult to see your way through other peoples opinions and you have to look to take from it what you need to take. For example as other people have already mentioned with wicca the origins are very uncertain and it appears to be very new. I personally like the ritualistic aspects of wicca on a personal level I guess its akin to christian prayer in my life but I'm not sure whether witchcraft itself and religion go together and I'm still not really sure about the distinctions between witchcraft and wicca. As in I'm interested and always have been in alot of areas of witchcraft like herb lore and divination and some spell craft but I'm not sure that in my mind they are connected with religion or are entirely separate, and I'm not sure whether you can become a witch I think you have to have something already there its a conscious thing not a decision where religion for me is a decision you make an informed choice about what you believe about the world.

 

As someone else already said maybe to find your path all you need to do is be alone with nature. (anyway I've blabbed on enough for a second post)

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I personally as someone very new to all this stuff think that you shouldn't think about following a path and worrying about it you should let the right way for you find you.

 

For me its about nature, the earth and the moon and that everything is in cycles which is why the seasons are so important and it all goes hand in hand if that makes any sense. So while you have sun you have rain, heat, cold, life, death etc etc and they are all as important as each other I really do believe that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and your bad experiences are just as important as the good. Does that ring true for anyone else?

 

I didnt think I was a pagan I didn't have a name for it but I know that I believe in the supernatural and reincarnation,  I always had a problem with chritianity because I couldn't see my way through the contradictions in the bible and I couldn't get my head round the way god is a man and women are weak (garden of eden anyone). I'm not sure to be honest whether I think there are loads of gods or whether I think that there is a universal being but I see male and female in everything and its complementary I don't see one as being superior to the other.

 

I think its good to read round but its quite difficult to see your way through other peoples opinions and you have to look to take from it what you need to take. For example as other people have already mentioned with wicca the origins are very uncertain and it appears to be very new. I personally like the ritualistic aspects of wicca on a personal level I guess its akin to christian prayer in my life but I'm not sure whether witchcraft itself and religion go together and I'm still not really sure about the distinctions between witchcraft and wicca. As in I'm interested and always have been in alot of areas of witchcraft like herb lore and divination and some spell craft but I'm not sure that in my mind they are connected with religion or are entirely separate, and I'm not sure whether you can become a witch I think you have to have something already there its a conscious thing not a decision where religion for me is a decision you make an informed choice about what you believe about the world.

 

As someone else already said maybe to find your path all you need to do is be alone with nature. (anyway I've blabbed on enough for a second post)

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Brilliant, wish i could have wrote this,

This is exactly how i felt for a long time until i realised what paganism was

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