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fizzyclare1

Twaddle Spotting - spotting b*llsh*t in books

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Guest MoonDoll
At the risk of being slain here, there is one Llewellyn book I've found quite useful...the Inner Temple of Witchcraft. Once you get past all the history balls and the authors slightly self-celebratory nature, the exercises in it are quite useful (although some are pinched right out of other books). For people who have serious problems with visualisation, like me (they always seem to go crazily out of control, if I visualise a candle it falls over or the whole thing catches fire or something...its not fun having candles/apples/various flowers bouncing around in your head) and this book starts with basic visualisations of simple shapes, working up to pieces of fruit before building bigger scenes like most books suggest. This helped my crazy brain quite a bit. On the other hand the affirmations and the term "instant magick" just make me want to giggle. But I find the "workbook" style of the book pretty helpful because I am such a lazy wee sod.

 

Silver Ravenwolf on the other hand...she makes me scream. Somebody bought me Teen Witch when I was about fourteen and I spent the whole book snorting with laughter. Some of what she preaches is actually quite frightening...she advocates children defying their parents by hiding her books if they wont let their children have them...this could have some nasty consequences in some parts of the US! I hate the way she tries to talk for all witches as well. I actually find her books not only annoying, but her attitude offensive and bordering on dangerous...she's not exactly tolerant of other religions, is she? Grrr.

 

I have to admit to having read some pure rubbish in my time. Fiona Horne was another author my mum liked to buy for me. Read on a purely superficial level, her books are fun to read in a trashy magazine sort of way, and they dont get my back up the same way Ravenwolf's do, but they aren't exactly high on the substance matter. Also have to admit to having bought some pieces of total rubbish like "Spells for Teenage Witches" and "Spells" by Nicola de Pulford.  :o_wave:

 

I remember getting Bucklands big blue book and wanting to hit myself over the head with it. Anyone else get this reaction?

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Oh my, yes!

I have to admit, i bought myself Teen Witch by Silver Raving Looney Wolf... i was a mere 14 yr old, and actually saved up my precious pennys on this!!!

And i have to also admit, i enjoyed it...until i got to the part about rituals etc. I found her far too dark, espescially for 'teen' book. I agree, it is bordering on dangerous.

As for Raymond Buckland...I too bought that big blue book... i think i read about one page, and that was the intro... i couldnt get my money back ;)

 

I have loved reading this thread, it really has made me laugh, and the interesting opinions out there really have opened up my eyes a hell of a lot more, i must admit.

 

I have had many a brain fart in my time... no doubt i will have more to come.

Been taken in by a twaddle full book? OH YES!

That would be Janet and Stewart Farrars book, the black book of shadows. It scared me to be quite frank.

Anyone else read this?

 

Not nessesarily saying thsi one is twaddle per se, but just down right *eeekish* LOL

bb xxxx

 

 

ps: Anyopne ever read 'Tree Wisdom'? Forget the author now...

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Guest Seren

Ye Olde Anciente Irish potato goddesses. Because yes, Ireland has always had potatoes as part of their staple diet *twitch*

 

I bought Buckland's Pecti Wita book last year for a laugh - I think I can safely say it was the biggest pile of shite I've ever read (that said, I've not actually read McCoy's Witta book).

 

Then there's Buckland's Gypsy Magic book, where he states that 'gypsy' children often discover their first sexual experiences at the hands of their siblings, and wouldn't it be nice if mainstream society didn't have the same hangups :o_wave:

 

Oh, and Douglas Monroe...And Murry Hope...

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Guest MoonDoll

What are people's opinions on Eileen Holland?

Her book named 'The Wicca Handbook'

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Pomona

Yeah, have to agree with Fizzy. TBH I think these "how to be a Wiccan" books are a bit... mass-market. Glib. They all say the same thing, and all make it sound as though you just need to learn some correspondences, some rhymes, and hey presto, you're a fully fledged Wiccan. Which, to be honest, I think is a bit insulting to those initiated Wiccans who work damn hard to get their degrees and learn their craft.

 

Just a personal opinion though and speaking as someone who does have a selection of Kate West/Farrar/Dorothy Morrison books - and didn't think an awful lot of them when I read them either :(

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Pomona

I'm going to split this topic and start a new one called "Harming None", so we can keep this thread to topic :)

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What are people's opinions on Eileen Holland?

Her book named 'The Wicca Handbook'

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I bought this! A few years ago and... it was pants! IMO obviously. It was the catalyst for moving away from Wicca for me- at least in terms of book learning. It mixes up every tradition you can think of, at one point tells you how important moon phases are, then in another chapter says how unimportant they are. It is muddled and a waste of paper! I wouldn't bother if I were you. If you've already bought it, I find mine is good for holding the door open, or as a paperweight. :)

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Guest woozle

And for novels: Comparable to Tolkien at his best read:  jumped on the clapped-out bandwaggon for pseudo-medieval trilogies with elves.

 

 

My, aren't we bitter today? :o_cat2:

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Sorry, a bit late, but I'm all dusty with rolling on the floor and guffawing. :huh: :o :P

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Guest Whippet

so what DO people think of the Kate West books??

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Athena
so what DO people think of the Kate West books??

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The Real Witches' Kitchen I quite liked, but I then was very disappointed when I bought her book on Herbs, which I then sent back. Most of the stuff in her books, can be found on the internet.

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As I'm in a grumpy mood I'll probably also add anything by Graham Hancock, The DaVinci Code and The Bible Code.

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Know what you mean. I especially don't care for what Hancock contrives of Angkor Wat. The whole complex is clearly the most aesthetic blend of irrigation genius and reverence of the elementals of water. Trying to construe this into some half-baked cosmological coincidence on a laptop, is no better than implying that Stonehenge was built by extraterrestrials. As for all the illuminati bollox, and any other conspiracy theories, anyone can suggest 2+2=7 if the price is right. :lol:

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That really annoys me. It seems to be impossible for humans to do anything of note to them lot :lol:

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Guest Tallis

I'm reluctant to dismiss all Llewellyn books out of hand. They published the Denning & Phillips 'Aurum Solis' magical books and they're anything but fluffy. The nice thing about fluff is that it doesn't hurt when you run into it, you just have to pick off the bits that try to stick and go on your merry way.

 

Despite having a pretty big book collection I've never been a huge fan of doing what it says in books. I prefer to go with what works for me. If the deities or the spirits of place don't tell me what I need to know I doubt if a book will.

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Guest Jesba

I've got some early Llewellyn books that are okay, but the stuff they've published in the last 15-20 years looks like complete shite on a quick flick through.

 

I'd also add anything about indigo children to the twaddle list, too. Can't stand these idiots who use the indigo children theory as an excuse for inadequate and bad parenting.

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That really annoys me. It seems to be impossible for humans to do anything of note to them lot  ;)

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Humans are largely slack-jawed cattle, so it's hardly surprising if some folk lack faith in their ability to do anything worthwhile.

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Guest SphereStrider

There are definitely a couple of good Llewellyn books such as the ones by John Michael Greer. Not fluffy in the least, very nourishing. The 'Encyclopedia of the Occult' is absolutely serious scholarship.

 

I'm in touch with Greer and he told me that he so detested the designs they gave his 'sacred geometry oracle' that he moved to Weiser! I said in my innocence I'd assumed the author would have some say in how their work appeared - especially since this included cards, all to John Michael's design. He told me, to the contrary - he was asked by Llewellyn to shut up on the subject.

 

So bear that in mind when you see a Llewellyn book - if there is a pink fairy on the cover this is nothing to do with the author.

 

Having said that I could name a few other good Llewellyn volumes I wouldn't be without - usually they are scholarly or prestige volumes that Llewellyn do have the money to put out. Donald Tyson's edition/annotation of Agrippa's "Three Books on Occult Philosophy", for example, is pretty definitive, I don't know of a better edition than that one.

 

 

- SphereStrider

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Guest maybell

is it odd for someone to have never bought a pagan book in her life though, as i have admited to picking them up, but i have never actaully paid money for one.

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Guest Tas Mania

Has anyone mentioned the Bible in this thread yet?

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fizzyclare1

lol lol

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Guest SpiralShaman

Any book where you read the gumpf in the back and you find out you have the same name as the authors cat!

 

(No, for real! :o )

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Oh and any book with 'complete' in its title.

 

Or any book that explains there maybe some reference you may not understand if you don't have the accompanying tarot kit and book.

 

Or any book that claims it's the only one you'll ever need to master this craft.

 

or written by anyone who claims to be an authority on anything, or is a self proffesed master.

 

:o

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or written by anyone who claims to be an authority on anything, or is a self proffesed master.

 

:o_wave:

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Or is a white dude with a Native American-sounding name.

 

Or has taken a title like 'Lord' or 'Lady' without actually marrying into the aristocracy.

 

Both have probably been mentioned already, but they're worth another reminder.

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andy9xyz
Or has taken a title like 'Lord' or 'Lady' without actually marrying into the aristocracy.
Ooh, you're in trouble now IJ!

 

Wait until tempy catches you!

 

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Guest ~Rachel~

One problem is with these books is that these are the ones you find in shops, and where I live these are the only shops we have. The shops like waterstones. So book-wise its more likely what you're going to pick up. Especially in the beginning.

 

I bought a book by Raven Silverwolf, or whatever her name is. I never did read it though. But from what I've read, I think I might do for a laugh :blink:

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One problem is with these books is that these are the ones you find in shops, and where I live these are the only shops we have. The shops like waterstones. So book-wise its more likely what you're going to pick up. Especially in the beginning.

 

I bought a book by Raven Silverwolf, or whatever her name is. I never did read it though. But from what I've read, I think I might do for a laugh  :blink:

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You will find that most of the welly in books are a laugh

 

 

http://wiccans.faithweb.com/llewellyn.html

 

 

 

 

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davkin

 

 

You will find that most of the welly in books are a laugh

 

 

http://wiccans.faithweb.com/llewellyn.html

 

 

 

 

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I am glad you said 'most' because way back when in the late 70s early 80s Llewellyn was possibly the only publisher willing to produce books of this genre. Just glancing along my bookshelf I see Edred Thorson ( Dr Stephen Flowers) Kveldulfr Gundarrson (Dr. Stephan Grundy), Freya Asswyn (Elizabeth Hooijschuur) all published by Llewellyn and all of of whom were valuable and seminal contributors to present day Heathenism.

 

Probably a Wiccan or a Shaman may spot similar valuable contributions in the Llewellyn offerings.

 

Sure some Llewellyn books are risible, but those who pay their £12.99 and realise they have been taken in often look deeper searching for that which s hinted at in the crap books. Some searchers even come to The Valley .

 

 

 

dav

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Guest SpiralShaman

I had a couple of old Llewellyn books on Shamanism that were pretty good. And some of the titles also do have the seeds of a few good ideas in them, I think like most stuff you have to take them with a pinch of salt. After all, at the end of the day it someone trying to convinve you that their way of doing things is soo good you should go an buy the book about it!

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You will find that most of the welly in books are a laugh

 

 

http://wiccans.faithweb.com/llewellyn.html

 

 

 

 

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I am glad you said 'most' because way back when in the late 70s early 80s Llewellyn was possibly the only publisher willing to produce books of this genre. Just glancing along my bookshelf I see Edred Thorson ( Dr Stephen Flowers) Kveldulfr Gundarrson (Dr. Stephan Grundy), Freya Asswyn (Elizabeth Hooijschuur) all published by Llewellyn and all of of whom were valuable and seminal contributors to present day Heathenism.

 

Probably a Wiccan or a Shaman may spot similar valuable contributions in the Llewellyn offerings.

 

Sure some Llewellyn books are risible, but those who pay their £12.99 and realise they have been taken in often look deeper searching for that which s hinted at in the crap books. Some searchers even come to The Valley .

 

 

 

dav

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That was the reason I said MOST

 

Thank you Davkin :)

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Athena

I think that I may have to part with most of my Llewellyn books, there's only so much woddle a person can take in one week.ohthedrama4vi.gif

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I think that I may have to part with most of my Llewellyn books, there's only so much woddle a person can take in one week.ohthedrama4vi.gif

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Guest SphereStrider

Just remembered I have not posted my pet hate yet...

 

Books that say astral travelling is equivalent to a lucid dream, subjective, 'travelling in your own world', etc. should all be burned to a cinder.

 

sorry... <sigh> but that does make me grind my teeth in exasperation, the amount you hear of it.

 

I remember somebody suggesting we could start a thread on books which are good... there probably aren't that many left! :)

 

 

- SphereStrider

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Guest Tas Mania
Just remembered I have not posted my pet hate yet...

 

Books that say astral travelling is equivalent to a lucid dream, subjective, 'travelling in your own world', etc. should all be burned to a cinder.

 

sorry... <sigh> but that does make me grind my teeth in exasperation, the amount you hear of it.

 

I remember somebody suggesting we could start a thread on books which are good... there probably aren't that many left! :)

 

 

  - SphereStrider

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The good book? :)

 

Ah! That would be the Book of Revelations! :o_claps:

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