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I do like drinking, but I always embarrass myself pretty badly. I enjoy the pub when its just a few drinks and everyone is in a good mood and its generally a laugh.


I use alcohol in parts of my path. And I actually have great respect for those that choose not to drink, especially in a society where getting bladdered at the weekend is the norm. Its refreshing.

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I use alcohol during (but never, so far, before) ritual. Alcohol though, is not part of my general life, so it's something which helps to makes the ritual different to my everyday experience. There is some evidence that our ancestors used mind altering substances; henbane has been found in an archaeological context in Britain and it's thought that fly agaric has been used - even to the point of grazing reindeer on it then drinking the concentrated urine :D And any farming community will have been familiar with ergot. In comparison to this a glass or two of red seems tame. If I grow my own fruit and my rather talented OH can turn the surplus into a half decent wine, then I don't think the gods can be offended by it.

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I don't drink so I think there is no point offering it to anyone. I do drink fruit teas and cordials rarely with the latter being a very special treat so if I ever need anything, it'd be that I'd use. Preferably not concentrate based stuff if I remember instead of whatever looks interesting/most applicable.


I also put fresh fruit into it which is yummy

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I'm not a ritual sort of person, but I do on occasion visit sacred sites, standing stones, hills, wells etc. I always feel the need to make an offering of a few crumbs for the birds and usually pour a drop of alcohol into the ground.

Like Tas, I tend to feel that whisky (or cider or ale) is more appropriate for this country, so usually take along a hip flask and pour a (tiny) drop of single malt onto the floor.

Now that is a real sacrifice for me!

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Well, here goes for my promised follow up from post 12 in this (extremely interesting) thread.


I am currently sat here with a large vodka. And being about as spiritual as a potato. ( Ten Brownie points for the first Pagan to spot the analogy! :o_biggrin: )


However - I digress. As said earlier, there are many layers to understanding the usage of any sort of mind alterants - be they mushies, weed, or alcohol. Or indeed fasting/flagellation/repetetive chant, rhythm etc. I say "usage" because, like tools, anything that is not actively emnlpoyed is not "used" but is merely an adjunct. Think on this.


I have a thing that happens from time to time when I drink, and not necessarily to excess either: I begin Telling.


I give this word a capital T because it is one I use to describe a particular facility, and whether it may be classed as some form of shamanism, or else "significant others" I really don't know. The "significant others" include transmogrification and the ability to hold objects and tell about their provenance etc. (All of which are part and parcel of the Telling.)


I do the latter two quite spontaneously WITHOUT alcohol (or any other alterants btw) but the thing that happens IN CONJUNCTION WITH me drinking is something weird, attested to by those who have witnessed/experienced it, and as to the what/wheres/whyfores - well - I haven't a scooby.


So, what happens? AFAIK, I go into some sort of "otherness". I approach a person and beging Telling. I may take an object they wear or give (and if latter I ask) and using (?) it, begin to foretell and backtell. It is a bit freaky, and I am surprised nobody has just punched my lights out before I even got into the flow, but there it is. A telling. It is always profound, accurate, and enlightening.


It is NOT something I do deliberately. A form of alcohol-induced shamanism maybe?

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