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The Unwritten Rules Of Magic, - what would you say they are?


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I'm not what most people would consider a magic-worker, but I have a theory about this kind of thing.


Magic isn't just what you do in your room, on your own, "when you've got your woo-woo on".


There is a little magic in everything you do - especially when it also concerns others.


Bragi's runes were said to be carved into his tongue. Not only does that explain why he was popular with the ladies (ahem!), but I also take that to mean that there is magic and power in eloquence, poetry, charisma, persuasion and the spoken word in general.


All the sage advice about considering the repercussions of and alternatives to magic also applies to those actions that are considered to be more mundane.

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I'd like to add a word too about observation. IMO, witches see things that others just don't notice - it's not necessarily extra sensory perception, but a heightened perception of the natural world, how people behave, things they don't say, making connections. You've got to be a bit like Sherlock, noticing things, seeing things clearly and filing them away in case they should become important.

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Aaah this whole thread is so interesting! I wish I had something a bit more meaningful to contribute instead of lurking, which is what I seem to be doing a lot of these days. I particularly like the people who have mentioned acting with clear intent. There's an idea rolling around in my head right now along those lines, but I'm not entirely sure I am going to articulate it well. Basically something along the lines of "Know your boundaries". I mean that in every sense of the word -- I liked what Pomona said about accepting that some things are unlikely to be changed through magic, but I've also been thinking a lot about culturally specific knowledge lately, and it seems to me that sometimes people attempt to "use" bits of other cultural practices without true access to that knowledge. I guess I'd add that it's important to do a lot of research before exploring territories that are closed to you for whatever reason -- ask why they are closed, and if you have the right to access them... and be honest about your shortcomings in that regard. There are some boundaries that I am aware of in my own practice that I know I cannot cross -- I would never attempt to practice the tradition of another culture from things I've read in a book because I wouldn't feel comfortable accessing such a limited part of that culture and assuming it encompassed everything about their cosmology. I suppose what I am trying to say is that boundaries don't necessarily indicate weakness or inability -- sometimes there is something to be said about respecting a line that you're not mentally prepared to cross.


Hope that makes sense!

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Liking this thread as well :)


I personally like the opening "rule" about what you can change about the mundane first. (cool story time: it was exactly what I was thinking today - I found a spellbook that my friends had bought me and was browsing the spells for jobhunting. Some were nice and promoted all the positive thinking I feel I need. But then there was one for "an active approach to job seeking."... OR I could actively look for a job?? I don't know, this one just seemed a bit pointless!)

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Hmm - I know what you mean, but that is probably a very good example of why Magick cannot work without mundane. No god (if you work with gods) is going to bestir themselves to help you with something if you're still sitting on your backside waiting for something to happen. You've got to meet the god halfway at least :D

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