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Moonsmith

A Need To Join.

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My 'need to join', combined with my being such an "oddball" and never fitting into any group of any description, had me join the Valley in the first place, and again returning now. 🙂 

Up until quite recently I was a sucker for wanting to "belong" ... for having a perfect description/label for who I am and what it is that I am doing ... and for being part of a group of people exactly like me/on the same path ... Obviously that's a recipe for failure.

It took me a long time to a) find my path, to b) be able to let go of too tight descriptions (moving ever so slowly towards the 'pathless path' - scary as that currently appears to me), and c) to accept that I probably won't encounter a great many people (in bodies) who walk this path too, respectively that it's not very likely that I will have a 'spiritual' community (satsang), and d) realise that all of this is just fine 🙂 

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Moonsmith

We have two newcomers to our moot and I am pondering what advice to give.  The rest of us are pretty established in our various beliefs; we've joined groups in the past and sometimes still go back and celebrate with them.  We have come out the other side of the "belonging" experience.   We now get on with the job and leave the theatre behind each in their own way.  We are all different.  It doesn't help a newcomer.

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We have  DONE the group thing.

I'm not in the business of telling anyone what they should do or who they should join but I'd be happier if they did join a group that was appropriate for them, something from which they could pick pockets and keep the useful stuff before graduating to self reliance.

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Ellinas

The groups we leave behind are probably the more useful to us.  I would be a touch concerned about getting comfortable and institutionalised.

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Moonsmith
2 hours ago, Ellinas said:

I would be a touch concerned about getting comfortable and institutionalised.

Very much agree.  The antidote is to question everything and keep on asking.

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Freydis

When I was younger I was much more concerned about belonging to a group and doing the "right" things and getting my beliefs "right".  I went through quite a loremastery stage, by which I mean if it ain't in the Eddas you don't do it, kind of thing.  Then I reacted and started challenging anything and everything.

Nowadays my beliefs are much more individual and I don't give a tuppenny dam if anyone agrees with me or not.  Whether it's right for me is what works.  

 

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Moon_Child

Thank you for your replies, that was all really useful! So far I've been reading a lot, gathering a reading list, and chatting with people. I've let my mind wander around all of the various subjects and I've worked out a few bits that I'd like to try. I've decided to do a few bits of Mabon/the upcoming equinox that appeal to me. Not sure why as yet, but it feels right. I've also found a couple of groups I'll be joining before the end of the month to see what they're up to and have a chat with like minded people.

So far I feel quite relaxed, but also really excited and very good! But then, I know that not everyone will do things in the same way...

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Jon

life is a long never ending lesson, if you don't do it, you aint going to learn. you are told alcohol is bad as a yoof and as a teenager you still go out and drink and do silly things, but, you learn some important lessons, possibly acquiring a traffic cone on the way. you are told all sorts of things, but the only way to find out is to go and find out for yourself.

groups have a number of functions besides the dangers of grand high poobahs and such like, they can be meeting places, they can be places where different viewpoints and conflict give rise to thought, they can be somewhere thought occurs, the advice that is best is don't stop thinking, question your thoughts and perceptions and anything anyone tells you, and a hatpin is always usefull.

groups also have the function of being somewhere for people to go to socialise, to chat to get out and about, the youth of this decade are different from that of the last and the one before etc, they can also teach old dogs new tricks and show them new perceptions, as well as a number of other things, advice, have a chat with them and see who they are and where you think a good fit would be, there are many groups, just warn em about the culty stuff the grand high poobahs and such, tell em to think for themselves and they will find their own way.

personally im a bit on the misanthropic side, but that's just me, exploration is the joy of life, sometimes you discover treasures, sometimes you discover someones cat has done its wotsits in your cornflakes, the only way to discover which is to go out and explore.

 

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Ellinas
12 hours ago, Jon said:

... and a hatpin is always usefull.

Indispensible.  Though something larger and sharper is even better...

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