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    • Ellinas

      Posted

      5 hours ago, Moonsmith said:

      Once Catholicism meets Voodun you’d be hard put to create a definition that divided the practice Catholicism from Paganism

      As I have said before, I knew on another forum, and maintain an occasional contact with even now, a person who was known to see himself as a Christian witch.  Pagan?  Well he was on a pagan forum and fitted in very well, and his concept of deity was not such as would be safely mentioned in many a Christian gathering.

       

      3 hours ago, Nettle said:

      I am not as learned as most here when it comes to paganism and even religion.

      Us lot, learned?  More like Moonsmith's favoured image of the "old farts" on a park bench.  If the concepts have no use to you, I'd leave them be - otherwise you are in danger of joining the realm of "Old Fartdom"

    • Moonsmith

      Posted (edited)

      1 hour ago, Nettle said:

      However I will endeavour to reacquaint myself with such concepts as they seem to be important to other members here and so may be worth more investigating and gaining different perspective. 

      Up to you Nettle but I wouldn’t bother if I were in your place.  I think that your approach to your beliefs is where it needs to be right now.  This thread will move on and fade away.

       I’ve done research because I give talks on belief and need to know from which end of my food tube I’m talking.  There are always Pagans in the audience who know their stuff.  
       

      What we believe is what we really believe - that might be as good a definition of Paganism as any.  There is no “truth” except our own.

       Share what you will but never let it be a chore.

      I’m here in the Valley coz it’s fun😄

      Edited by Moonsmith
    • Nettle

      Posted (edited)

      I am not as learned as most here when it comes to paganism and even religion. 
       

      Hence why I do not usually get involved in such discussions. It’s not that I don’t see value in someone analysing their belief system and tagging the most appropriate label. It’s just for me it’s not that important. 
       

      I don’t know what I am, and to be honest I am not really concerned. Yeah it assists in communication but it is not that important to me. 
       

      At one time I know I understood the meanings of polytheism/monotheism/atheism etc but I have forgotten what they mean. They have not stuck. And as such they are not required for me to engage with my path.
       

      Lol I am getting older now and so find I have to purge information to allow for more information to be stored! Basically I empty my cup, keep what is useful to me and discard (“forget”) the rest.

       

      However I will endeavour to reacquaint myself with such concepts as they seem to be important to other members here and so may be worth more investigating and gaining different perspective. 

      Edited by Nettle
    • Moonsmith

      Posted (edited)

      I agree SH!  Some Irish, Polish and Hispanic versions of Catholicism (Inc. some of their priests) are very like Polytheistic Paganism.  Once Catholicism meets Voodun you’d be hard put to create a definition that divided the practice Catholicism from Paganism.

       That said, the Christians in question would object to being called Pagan as I suspect a Voodunista might object to being called Christian but I don’t know that.

       I’d keep definitions of religion well away from definitions of Paganism.  I certainly don’t have a religion and I’m Pagan.

       The original use of the word Pagani - (those who lived out on the pagus; outside of citified civilisation = rustic) - distinguished between formal Roman polytheists who would be offended at being referred to as Pagani and the rustics who wouldn’t.

      I wonder if you can be Pagan and not know it?  Is it behaviour related rather than belief based?

      Edited by Moonsmith
    • Stonehugger

      Posted

      16 hours ago, Earthdragon said:

      Paganism is formally meant to comprise

      Is it that kind of word though? Where would one find an authority about what it was formally meant to comprise? A dictionary will say how the word is used in practice, so that's not prescriptive enough. An act of parliament? A contract? Speaking in my capacity as humpty dumpty, I could use it to mean something that's not like Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc. It's a statement of difference but also perhaps of exclusion. I've never been a Roman Catholic but I imagine their attitude to the Virgin Mary could be a bit borderline-pagan sometimes, so I could therefore imagine a vicar advising someone that their understanding is "a bit too pagan for comfort."

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    • Earthdragon

      Posted (edited)

      Paganism is formally meant to comprise the spiritual paths which don't derive from the revealed religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam and others.

      It is an unfortunate definition as it doesn't help to specify anything about the content of a particular path which is counted as pagan. Pagan paths outnumber and outvary the Abrahamic religions.

      21st Century paganism? Any and all beliefs and practices of folk who draw from non-Abrahamic ways.

       

      Edited by Earthdragon
    • I believe that it is a belief path and not a taught religion. I belive in the fact that what we can see, touch and feel gives our belief. we dont listen to books or preaching saying this was created by.

      I know that the mother provides all our neades, the farther provides the warthm and energy to grow, and the lady provides the yin and yang of difference balance in life o the planet.

      paganism is for an individual with an open mind and not a person to be taught or lectured. 

    • Ay - respect is best displayed by questioning.

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