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  1. 2 points
    Hmm. Not sure how I missed the last couple of posts for so long. Anyhow: I rather suspect that the founding thoughts of most aged and ancient faiths are irrecoverable or culturally outmoded and impracticable. Therefore, if the followers have not allowed it to evolve, it is liable to be dead or dying. As to a formula - I am not a behavioural scientist. Unfortunately, those followers who claim "authenticity" generally seem to me to mean only that they are convinced that they hold the only truly true version of truth. Such are to be avoided, and a pox on all their authentic or inauthentic houses. No, the aged and ancient (or modern and youthful) faith never needs a controlling body to reinterpret original thinking for current conditions. Such bodies create orthodoxy and orthopraxy, and enforce their ideas by more or less overt oppression. Agreed thinking can only be agreed between those discussing it - and is very dangerous when the agreement takes on the character of a conclusion to regulate general belief and practice. Such are to be avoided, and a pox on all their authentic or inauthentic houses, Whether Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism "find their planetary conscience outside of their founding reference" rather depends on whether you are speaking to a bible bashing Anglican or Roman Catholic. I know bible bashers of neither persuasion who claim that the Anglicans and Romans both err from their founding reference. But there are as many versions of that founding reference as there are denominations of bible bashers. Such are to be avoided, and a pox on all their authentic or inauthentic houses. I suspect it is inevitable that the founding thinking is forgotten beneath dogmatic self interest. That is human nature. The "authenticity" of a long established faith lies with its' current followers - but, as hinted above, those who claim authenticity do so for the benefit of their own internal political ends within their faith. Such are to be avoided, and a pox on all their authentic or inauthentic houses.
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    Indeed. Truth is not the same as verified fact. It is, rather, something along the lines of the individual's grasp of his or her place within the cosmic jigsaw (that's off the top of my head, so don't be over critical of the terminology). Therefore, authenticity and truth are both personal. Truth is mutable for each individual also, but that mutability is a pre-requisite of authenticity. Consistency is no virtue if it does not reflect actual current beliefs and outlook.
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    I personally (just me) try to avoid generalising as it doesn't work for me, but it does work for others. However, I agree that self examination, criticism and openness to change are important and that schools of thought that are convinced that they hold the only truly true version of truth are best avoided. Regarding "How To Tell If A Teaching/group Is Authentic", that word "authentic" needs careful handling. I see something as authentic if it works for me and if it's open to change, criticism etc. I'm less sure about what would cunt as universally authentic though. Yes (again, I'm personally wary of myself generalising too much, but...) cultures change so what worked in the past could be entirely irrelevant now. What worked in the past was presumably tuned into some far more abstract "?truth" that is still there today so we still need ways of approaching the same truth but in ways that are culturally meaningful for us today.
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    I really must stop writing sentences containing multiple predicates. It isn't the reviewing that is in the least uncomfortable:- From nanometre to parsec I absorb new information about the cosmos like a sponge. This is, for me, the shifting image and nature of deity. Whether from new neuroscience or philosophy, new information concerning reality arriving faster than I can read it. This is my creed, my relationship with deity. All this is what makes being alive right now so invigorating and exciting. What is uncomfortable is the frequency with which I have to adjust image and relationship. 🙂 .......but that's postmodernism for you 🙂
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    1: Dont get hung up on names or labels. You dont have to box yourself neatly into a type. Explore what interests you and see where it leads you. 2: stay true to whatever it was that got you excited enough about being 'pagan' to decide to call your self that. If it was a connection with nature then focus on developing that, or if it was contact with gods or ancestors then develop that, whatever it was, dont get bogged down with what everyone else is doing, (though of course we can learn a whole lot from each other and be lead down new exciting paths) dont loose contact with whatever was your spark of inspiration, thats more real for you than anything you can read in a book.
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    Once again I've run out of editing time. Blame the bacon butty. Could a mod be kind and add = in order to practice Paganism. to the end of my last sentence. I wouldn't bother except that this is in starters orders. Oh and perhaps delete this post or leave it here so that readers can assess the mental capacity of the writer :)
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    I think that it often needs a third party to recognise that their friend is being drawn into something harmful by apparently imperceptible degrees. This whether the "teacher" is deluded, mistaken, fraudulent or malevolent. On the other hand if I have made a few million selling vinyl and I feel that I benefit from giving a few hundred thousand to a wily old Maharishi in exchange for his wisdom then it's a fair trade. If I subsequently feel that it is bullshit I might say so in my autobiography but I'd laugh. Overall: I would find it hard to put the words "Pagan", "Authentic" and "2016" into a single positive sentence unless I was only referring to myself. I do question myself and everything else exhaustively to try the ensure that the teacher who is deluding me is not me. If there is one thing that is common to Pagans it is that we take personal responsibility for our spirituality. We stand in no need of priest, saviour or guru. Teachers may be of interest and influence but we do not need them in order to practice Paganism.
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    It's difficult. I think that most people have an inbuilt "bullshitometer" that kicks in, and which becomes more sensitively calibrated with age and experience. Sometimes though, I think that it depends on how much someone wants to believe. Human beings can be very good at self-deception when the circumstances are right.
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