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  1. i have thoughts about how i am going to do this , i have decied depends on the weather i want to do stuff during the day and at night before midnight day i will be going out to a place i rerally like and found peace while walking there even when there is children there playing people bring there dogs and there is nature there i love walking as well one of my things i do to relax then come home light a candles play music have good food for us and the God/Goddeses then say good bye to the spirit and say hello to the new life .. welcome to nature the following morning go back to the place i like and welcome the new life there
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  2. Hi! Welcome to my self-absorbed drivel. I don't quite know where to start about this, but after years of trying to be a Christian, I'm exploring being a Pagan. Actually, I'd go as far as to say I am one, and was before in my late teens and early twenties. I grew up in an Evangelical household and my parents are now Pentecostal deacons. I started to question my faith from an early age, and later started to practice Wicca and study legends and folk customs. I had some health problems that made me a lot more dependent on family. I don't see any reason to ever let my parents or other family members know about my beliefs as that would be devastating for them, but they ask about church and my spiritual life every time I see them. In my mid twenties I started to think that I had to compromise with my parents over my beliefs if they were ever to accept other life choices I made. I have had relationships they wouldn't accept and didn't want to alienate myself from them even further. I wanted to be pragmatic. There was truth in virtually every belief system so I might as well re-adopt Christianity, find a progressive church and live as good a life as I could like that. So I did that for years, as a secretly pantheistic Christian who went to a church that worshipped God using male, female and gender-neutral pronouns and lived what most people would describe as a secular life outside of church. I'd left Christianity because so much harm was done in the name of a set of beliefs. Then I came back because I didn't want to cause harm to my parents in the name of beliefs, religion or the lack of it. How people are treated should always come first. Then aged 43, in January during the lockdown, I went 'pop'. It was like I'd been getting more and more resentful and thirsting after Earth-based spirituality. It was a need and I'm not sure it can be denied because I need to feel alive. I've been studying various pagan traditions ever since and have taken a break from church (my vicar knows all of this and is great about it). Not attending church is unacceptable in my family. I feel so behind though. Most people I meet or come across on social media has years of experience and say they've been practicing since they were teenagers. I once heard someone say that yes, there are many paths up the same mountain but if you keep changing paths you never reach the top. Do you agree, or not? Is anyone else here a new older pagan? Is it at all common?
    2 points
  3. The significance of the old farts on the bench is that they are too engrossed in their own thinking and tend not to leave room for the kid with the ear buds. We need new thinking here in the Valley - before you get used to Valley-think! New thinking does not have to be anything like established thinking. Personal definitions, inspirations, doubts and conjectures are all most welcome. Maybe more so if they aren’t based on established thinking. (New old farts of all ages and odours are also welcome here!)
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  4. As a kind of continuation from the “daily ritual” thread I was wondering who your deities are? How you relate to them? And what they represent to you and your practice? My patron deities are what I collectively term “the laughing gods”, or “the great fools”. The energies within the laughing god tradition come from varied sources. Within most cultural pantheons/religions/mythos/fiction there will usually be found an archetypal fool energy/figure. It is this universal fool energy/archetype that I tap into to gain awareness and inspiration. The fool energy is representative of other closely aligned archetypes such as clown/jester/trickster/comedian/minstrel energies. But the fool energy is the most revered. Such notable fools of renown include (and in no specific order):- Sun Wu Kong (The Monkey King) The Christ Spirit Cegorach (The First Fool) The Buddha spirit Jove/Jupiter So Tei (laughing Buddha) Mercury Rooster King (The feathered king) Eris/Discordia Maui Baubos Sheogorath (the Mad) Janus of the gates Loki Prometheus Tarot fool “V” Etc etc etc Hence I am able to connect with the fool energy within a multitude of differing beliefs systems that I come into contact with. Kind of like an access code. I log into the particular belief system, locate the fool energy within such a system, and can then connect more deeply with that belief system - via my fool pass lol - to gain inspiration. One thing though that I must point out is my disliking for dark fools such as dark clowns and Jesters (think - “IT” and killer clowns). These are twisted perversions masquerading as the sacred energies. Yes, I accept they are within the Imago Dei (humanities collective unconscious and now possibly “a-part” of the fool archetypal energy) and that the best way to tackle such things is to accept and integrate them into a whole (i.e. temperance). But I do find it troublesome to do so. I also find it difficult to accept Cenobites (I have met one of the hellish variety). Hahaha maybe they just need a little tickle to make them realise the error of their ways? Maybe I just need a little tickle?? Well that’s what rooster king has said to me previously! And I do have ways of accessing both manifestations (Cenobites of the hellish variety and killer clowns) via the fictional Drukhari. Which I have touched upon but not yet mastered fully. Anyway, enough of my divergence, what about your gods? You deities?
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  5. That’s why I find science so exciting. It knows that all its explanations are inadequate. I’ve been trying to find out when the last scientific law was pronounced. I don’t think there have been any since the 19th century. Whatever it was has probably been shown to be wrong or incomplete by now. Of course that is why metaphysics is fun too. It’s like theoretical physics but without the waste paper basket😄 The thought has just occurred to me that both archeology and metaphysics have the same response to the inexplicable - God did it. I may be a theist but I still say, screw the inscrutable, probe the improbable and f the ineffable. My Deity can take it. Bring it on!
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  6. I have only ever been a Christian on paper lol. When visiting hospitals I would give the CofE answer when asked about my beliefs. I didn’t really even know what it meant. As a child I often prayed to God. But could probably count on two hands the amount of times I have attended church. Obviously at school I sang hymns and recited the Lord’s Prayer. But I never went deep into it. My family is not religious. I have never been deeply influenced by Christianity. I have always been spiritual though. The weirdest thing is when I started on this journey it actually allowed me to gain deeper understanding of the Christ spirit. For many years I sought a shamanic technique called the “fierce eye” technique. This technique as I believed at the time would allow me to command any spirit. I could banish them or destroy them at a glance. My long search for this technique allowed me to find and connect with many interesting things but never allowed me to unravel the mysteries of the fierce eye technique. One day I had vision. In the vision - between the two doors - I saw a man standing at the corner of a street near to where I live. It was daytime but there was nothing else around. Nothing moved. It was as if every living thing was asleep. I approached the man who as I was drawing closer turned to regard my approach. What I saw blew my mind away. The love I felt emanating from this strangers eyes was so powerful, so all consuming, utterly accepting that I fell to my knees and started weeping with happiness. The love was so unconditional, so total and all encompassing. It took my breath away. I eventually awakened from this vision thinking what the hell was that all about? I did not realise until later that I had been shown the “fierce eye” technique. I had been mistaken in my assumptions as to what the “fierce eye” technique was all about. It was not about destroying something, Commanding something or even banishing something. It’s power lies in acceptance. I later realised that the being I had seen in my vision was the Christ spirit. The Christ spirit is also a Great Fool. Who would have believed it, that I would find Christ following a pagan path lol. The irony was fitting. And made me realise just how limited I had allowed myself to be. The few times I have gone to church recently since this experience (my son used to attend a CofE school) I feel very happy. Overjoyed even. A little mischievous. I know I am welcome there even though I do not take up the mantle of Christian. I feel at home, accepted, even though I am a pagan. I feel very welcome within the church.
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  7. From the Secret Garden (a surprisingly pagan old classic) “Sometimes since I've been in the garden I've looked up through the trees at the sky and I have had a strange feeling of being happy as if something was pushing and drawing in my chest and making me breathe fast. Magic is always pushing and drawing and making things out of nothing. Everything is made out of magic, leaves and trees, flowers and birds, badgers and foxes and squirrels and people. So it must be all around us. In this garden - in all the places”
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  8. My advice would be to get out in the fresh air. Spend some time somewhere that makes you feel happy, at peace, or uplifted. Some people are drawn to high places, or beaches, or forests, or waterfalls, but whatever resonates with you is right for you. It doesn't even matter if you try different environments and nothing seems to speak to you right away. Don't feel you have to do, or say, or feel anything in particular. Instead, just relax, listen to the wind, feel the sun, or the rain, and just be. Maybe moonlight, or stargazing fill you with awe? That is something else to explore. You are already on your path, it will reveal itself as you move along it. Good luck, and have fun with it!
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  9. It happens rarely. My clearest recollection is of realising that I was dreaming of driving my first car. I decided it would be interesting if it would fly and then decided to disappear into a mass of red clouds. I've also found myself facing some rather unfriendly, snake eyed rabbits in a warren. I think that was my first lucid dream. I had been flying (again) over the countryside and decided to go underground. I was very young at the time. Nothing deep or particularly spiritual, I'm afraid. Imagination plays more of a part in my practice than does lucid dreaming.
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  10. One of the issues of long membership here is that we oldies - sorry, long serving members - have given answers to a lot of the questions raised here many times. That’s not a bad thing and if I look back to 2009 I can see that my Paganism might have shifted but my way of expressing it is vastly different. So: Something that hasn’t been asked for a bit. Something that everyone can answer however new or established. What IS Paganism in 2021? Why are we Pagans at all? Do we have anything in common? “We” is all of us, with or without labels or groups.
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  11. I have always had a problem with the dichotomy between the teachings of Christ - love, forgiveness, charity etc, and the practices of the Church. For this, and other more personal reasons I do not feel comfortable in church today, while still in agreement with the message of love and peace. So while I don't identify as a Christian, I can still accept Christ as a teacher - as I also would accept Buddha, or find myself in agreement with Hindu sages. Wisdom is not confined to any particular set of beliefs or culture. Like a dandelion in the cracks of the pavement, it will out and thrive despite all we do to try to control it. But to return to the OP. I was in my teens when I began questioning the Church, and 20 when I was first initiated into Paganism. That was nearly 40 years ago now, but I'm still learning and evolving.
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  12. MS is right, both in his assessment that we are each the best and only authority on our own beliefs, and that in the past we had a very diverse set of members. But new points of view are always welcome, no matter whether fully formed or more intuitively grasping. I would argue that no matter how much we learn over however long; we are all still intuitively grasping at conclusions which remain just out of reach. Someone else putting their thoughts into words might just be the missing link in a logic train that helps shed light on our own understanding. Over the past 40 odd years my own Pagan beliefs have been adapted, added to and changed. I was taught very early on the premise that All Gods are One God, and all Goddesses are One Goddess. This has stuck with me. I suppose I think of deities as archetypes while also being powerful entities in their own right. Which are all facets of the Source which is beyond my understanding, which is why I think of them as discrete personalities. The Welsh Pantheon and Coelbren are the keys or touchstones or framework that I am familiar with and feel drawn to. It helps me to understand, in the same way that the Kabbalistic Tree of Life helps me get my head around the different realms and states of being. If that sounds contradictory and unnecessarily complicated, that's ok. I accept my understanding is imperfect. Yours will no doubt differ, and will be right for you based on your experience and intuition.
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  13. On the contrary - you are the world’s leading authority on Nettlism and Nettlery at all levels that you choose to explore. Naturally you are free to apply those (or your own) terms as you see fit. Your thoughts on the subjects vastly exceed the authority of any other metaphysician. You may well choose to consult others of course but hold onto your own core belief. Accept illumination but not immolation! i regret that we have given you the view that the site is science biased. We have had Witches of many sorts, Norse of many sorts, Druids of several sorts, various polytheisms, Religio Romana, atheists, a Voodunista and a Hellene, among many many others over the years. Of course there have been untold numbers of “unlabelled“ and “dunno” members. What you see is a transient current configuration as folk come and go. i have always held that were one to obtain a metaphysical balance and put into one pan all the saints, prophets, scholars, priests, gurus etc together with all that is written about beliefs, religion and faith and in the other pan stands a lone individual who is saying, ” I’m not sure but I think…..” Then the pointer on the balance remains central.
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  14. As I have said before, I knew on another forum, and maintain an occasional contact with even now, a person who was known to see himself as a Christian witch. Pagan? Well he was on a pagan forum and fitted in very well, and his concept of deity was not such as would be safely mentioned in many a Christian gathering. Us lot, learned? More like Moonsmith's favoured image of the "old farts" on a park bench. If the concepts have no use to you, I'd leave them be - otherwise you are in danger of joining the realm of "Old Fartdom"
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  15. Up to you Nettle but I wouldn’t bother if I were in your place. I think that your approach to your beliefs is where it needs to be right now. This thread will move on and fade away. I’ve done research because I give talks on belief and need to know from which end of my food tube I’m talking. There are always Pagans in the audience who know their stuff. What we believe is what we really believe - that might be as good a definition of Paganism as any. There is no “truth” except our own. Share what you will but never let it be a chore. I’m here in the Valley coz it’s fun😄
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  16. Is it that kind of word though? Where would one find an authority about what it was formally meant to comprise? A dictionary will say how the word is used in practice, so that's not prescriptive enough. An act of parliament? A contract? Speaking in my capacity as humpty dumpty, I could use it to mean something that's not like Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc. It's a statement of difference but also perhaps of exclusion. I've never been a Roman Catholic but I imagine their attitude to the Virgin Mary could be a bit borderline-pagan sometimes, so I could therefore imagine a vicar advising someone that their understanding is "a bit too pagan for comfort."
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  17. I was quoting @Veggie dancer but made a hash of it 🙂 But, yes, I do think that we use strategies to make sense of things that are, to us here and now, inexplicable. That's not about whether anything is in principle permanently inexplicable. It's about me making sense of the here and now.
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  18. Something that I only realised once I arrived here in the Valley is just how spiritual the atheists here tend to be. i sometimes have to explain that to be Pantheistic is not to be atheist!
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  19. Nothing wrong with a bit of atheism , Stonehugger.
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  20. I seem to have become an atheist. That was never my plan, but here I am. For me, a deity is a very useful model - perhaps somewhere to hang my random thoughts with some hope of organising them - but not a being with a role, a personality, a set of habits etc., and not a collection of expectations about me. I certainly feel that a lot of things I encounter are part of something very much bigger and perhaps eternal but that's very abstract at present. Standing stones and, I think, ancient trees (or, more obviously, ancient woodlands) have immense wisdom. Maybe they carry manifestations of deity but that's not a view I hold at all strongly or formally or educatedly.
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  21. For me personally I don’t see the point of a daily ritual. Does one need to be reminded of who their deity is, lest they forget? The only time I use ritual (and this is not some pre-formulated, prescriptive, kind of recipe that has to be followed to the letter) is when I seek to enter into a different perspective/mind state/awareness. Such ritual for me also is very in the moment and simplistic. It is wilful expression of the moment, and so is appropriate. In that it is highly adaptive to the situation, as opposed to trying to force a specific set of fixed conditions onto the moment. But that is just my experience. Then again I do follow a daily exercise plan that is largely fixed and slowly evolving. So in a way I do follow a daily ritual in this sense. But this ritual is not so much about connecting with my deities but more about connecting with self.
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  22. Thank you. Yes, I'm starting to think it's the journey that matters. What a gorgeous image! I'd love to get back to the fells, there's something new around very corner there.
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  23. I've had varying degrees and natures of commitment to Christianity since I was at school but I've also always had pagan leanings and for quite a long time now my path has been entirely pagan. It's unproblematic in that my family and friends think it's harmless eccentricity, but I imagine it would be different if I took a strongly pagan stance on something. For me personally it's important to listen to what's going on around me and work out my path accordingly, so I celebrate the presence of many paths up the same mountain and have no concerns about reaching the top. I imagine that, like almost any walk in the fells, what currently looks like the top is just another place to see the next top from. Dangerous statement. Talk about tempting fate...! Definitely!! 😁
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  24. Late, as I have been away, but hope all who celebrate it had a good one
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  25. Well, I suppose if you exclaim the name of someone else's deity, it is suitably meaningless and innocuous to the exclaimer. Thinking about it, I occasionally use "Jesus wept" - old habit from way back, probably even my pre-Christian days, let alone pre-pagan. Regarding "god willing", I know Christians who use that habitually, or even "DV", though it escapes me as to why strongly anti-catholic types would refer to Latin. I do have an issue with it - for the evangelicals, it is part of their evangelising strategy to advertise their "faith" and "dependence on god". At best (as they see it), it will give them the chance to start a "conversation" (thinly veiled personal preaching session), and at worst, it is a form of subliminal planting of a message. And that issue is quite apart from the fact I've never seen an instance of god's will that is not, quite clearly, based on the desires of the individual human.
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  26. My daughter lives in Dubai and says that "inshallah" [God willing] means "I'll do it when/if I get round to it!"
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  27. I still do that now. I remember relatives doing it when I was growing up. For some reason, I sort-of equate sinister/left with going widdershins. When I was at school we read a story that freaked me out at the time in which something bad happened if anyone travelled widdershins around something. I don't recall any of the details, but it definitely scared me big-time.
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  28. I’m getting feelings of deja-typed but I’ve said something similar on other forums so if this turns out to be a repeat - respect your elders rather than mock😄 At last! A joyful Beltane to you all. The holly isn’t out with the Hawthorne this year but I guess that is Beltane 20th May 2021.
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  29. When I was younger I was obsessed (as many were in the 90s) with the idea of wealth.... One day I read a quote (well part of a quote) from Seneca the younger that has stuck with me since then... I remind myself of it quite often to stop myself longing for things I don't have.
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  30. Just arrived new today at The Valley. The Lakota Code of Ethics has given me such a lift and worked as a positive affirmation for me. Thank you Earthdragon.
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  31. Books are not and cannot be anything more than inspiration when it comes to describing personal belief. No human is perfect, so what they write is at risk of this imperfection. If humans could perfectly describe what can only be held as faith then there is no reason to believe you could perfectly understand your own world without their help. However we can't and we all have to ultimately figure it out on our own. Unless you want a religion spoonfed to you, a book can only be a sounding board, a vague set of directions. Unfortunately, not all of us can get out into nature. It is tone deaf to ignore that for many, this is out of reach. For many minorities in Britain, for example, rural areas are openly hostile to their presence and they do not feel welcome. It's not enough for them to simply "ignore it". For many, books end up the only escapism out of the world that wants to suck them dry and into some form of spiritual comfort.
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  32. To continue in the same vein: LAKOTA CODE OF ETHICS 1. Rise with the sun to pray. Pray alone. Pray often. The Great Spirit will listen, if you only speak. 2. Be tolerant of those who are lost on their path. Ignorance, conceit, anger, jealousy - and greed stem from a lost soul. Pray that they will find guidance. 3. Search for yourself, by yourself. Do not allow others to make your path for you. It is your road, and yours alone. Others may walk it with you, but no one can walk it for you. 4. Treat the guests in your home with much consideration. Serve them the best food, give them the best bed and treat them with respect and honor. 5. Do not take what is not yours whether from a person, a community, the wilderness or from a culture. It was not earned nor given. It is not yours. 6. Respect all things that are placed upon this earth - whether it be people or plant. 7. Honor other people's thoughts, wishes and words. Never interrupt another or mock or rudely mimic them. Allow each person the right to personal expression. 8. Never speak of others in a bad way. The negative energy that you put out into the universe will multiply when it returns to you. 9. All persons make mistakes. And all mistakes can be forgiven. 10. Bad thoughts cause illness of the mind, body and spirit. Practice optimism. 11. Nature is not FOR us, it is a PART of us. They are part of your worldly family. 12. Children are the seeds of our future. Plant love in their hearts and water them with wisdom and life's lessons. When they are grown, give them space to grow. 13. Avoid hurting the hearts of others. The poison of your pain will return to you. 14. Be truthful at all times. Honesty is the test of ones will within this universe. 15. Keep yourself balanced. Your Mental self, Spiritual self, Emotional self, and Physical self - all need to be strong, pure and healthy. Work out the body to strengthen the mind. Grow rich in spirit to cure emotional ails. 16. Make conscious decisions as to who you will be and how you will react. Be responsible for your own actions. 17. Respect the privacy and personal space of others. Do not touch the personal property of others - especially sacred and religious objects. This is forbidden. 18. Be true to yourself first. You cannot nurture and help others if you cannot nurture and help yourself first. 19. Respect others religious beliefs. Do not force your belief on others. 20. Share your good fortune with others.
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  33. Wristwatches? I still wear mine. Not sure how smart it is. It’s polished, does that count?
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  34. I've met people who, even in the domain of the so called mentally healthy, despise those who would turn to others for help. I've seen one of these hard liners put in a situation where she was unable to help herself and her opinions changed radically. She not only sought help but now has a voluntary job helping others in the same way she was helped. For a lot of people it's that sort of ignorance - they mistake their own lack of current need as (a) some sort of moral strength (and therefore those without it lack moral fibre), and (:o_rainbow: something that will always be so. Some never find the strengths to face their own weakness by being able to admit that they, too, have needs and dependencies. This is a form of emotional weakness, not a strength - whether emotional, mental or moral. And pagans are people as well - why shouldn't our own communities include those who cannot cope with things they fear, such as people very different from themselves? Yeah, it's sure depressing to meet such prejudice, especially when it's aimed at yourself, but it's just a matter of finding other pagans who are more understanding. Such as this forum. :) In the UK the government doesn't seem to be able to figure out how the break down the social prejudice surrounding mental health. Back in the 80s we used to lock people away in institutions. The then PM, Mrs Thatcher, seemed to think if we closed all the institutions and put the people in them back 'in the community' it would do the trick. Nope. To do that required proper financing of nursing and other support, which didn't happen. So there were a few high profile deaths that the media sprang on and published with shrill cries of alarm, which made a lot of folk even more prejudiced and fearful than before. Ho hum. There still isn't the support, though it's marginally better. One of my staff has a grown son with severe autism. He lives at home. His PCT reduced his medication a couple of months ago, which, as his mother says, is fine - but not when combined with moving the community nurses from a system of each patient having one nurse dedicated to them, to a rota system, where the patient is expected to tell each different nurse, once a week, their whole medical history and diagnosis. This particular lad can't cope with it. There are days when his mother (who suffers severe arthritis) and father can't get him out of bed because of this double whammy. Which means she picks up every cold going through sheer exhaustion and then she's ill - but still has to help her son. Aaarrgh! I'll go before this rant becomes extended....
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