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  1. 4 points
    As a matter of principle, I am suspicious of anything that uses the term "the true..." or "a real..." - be it pagan, alien, Christian, or whatever. I find the the terminology unacceptable. Regardless of what I think paganism is or should comprise, my view is not to be imposed on any other. Nor is Sheridan's. "The true..." and "a real..." is the terminology of imposition, the beginnings of doctrine, Yes, I find nature calming. I recognise beauty in it. I find it stirs sense and feeling. So do an awful lot of people, regardless of whether they are pagan. Yes, I do a lot of my thinking in an armchair and find a lot of ideas in written matter. So do an awful lot of people, regardless of whether they are pagan. Each to his own. There is no process (unless you wish to become a particular "type" of pagan within some organisation or other) and I reject any suggestion that I or anyone else has a "right" way or a claim to being particularly genuine.
  2. 3 points
    That worries me a bit. How far are we away from a bad situation in which an older man tells a younger woman she needs to get naked in the group to show her ongoing commitment to it? That's different from all deciding to work skyclad together as a means of achieving something, and it's different from an initiation setting where there needs to be some significant sign of crossing over into the group. I'm not sure of my logic here, but there has to be a line somewhere between appropriate challenge and never-appropriate abuse.
  3. 2 points
    Anyone can do it - even the most sceptical - I know, because I have a friend who is a Yorkshire man and he is the most sceptical person I have ever met. He held the hazel twigs so tight (he is very strong having been a prop forward for Halifax in his day) that the bark stripped off the twigs as they fought to move in his hands 😄 You should have seen his face!
  4. 2 points
    A question that deserves a considered reply. I am a person for whom definitions need clarity. I am also a person who is not overly bothered if a definition is unidentifiable. It just means that there is no satisfactory definition. But that is not the issue. I have no problem with a clear, even a forceful, statement of a position - which may not come as any great surprise, I suppose. But that is not the issue either Nor do I think that this is a matter of "relationship with language". Whilst it is true that words can be interpreted in various ways, and that some are more precise than others in their habitual use of language, there are instances where the implications of terms used have a certain inevitability. As you are aware, I have a background in fundie Christianity. It's a strange world. All sorts of denominations, divisions and sub-divisions, quite a few of which (if not practically all) consider themselves to be trueTM, or even realTM, Christians. Only those who believe the same things (with some leeway round the edges. depending on to whom you speak) are regarded as "believers". That leads to inevitable conclusions: The more absolute the term, the less flexible the available interpretations ("true" and, in this context, "real" are pretty absolute concepts) The use of such terminology is exclusionary - it defines not the outlook, be it of paganism or Christianity, but the persons who are deemed acceptable; It is very difficult to conceive of a use of these terms that does not result in such exclusivity; It is very difficult to conceive of a method of maintaining the use of these terms that does not collapse into the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy. For these reasons, I do not consider that this is just relationship to language. At the very best, Sheridan's terminology on this is extremely ill considered. At worst, it renders him a person whose views are based in prejudice rather than any serious thought process. Every experience is a conceptual model That is the nature of subjective perception. I know what you are trying to say, however. The answer is that there is a balance to be struck between pure theory and direct experience. However, the point of balance will differ according to the mental faculties and past experiences of the individual. I cannot exclude a person for having a different balance to mine - to do so is to condemn myself in the eyes of those who have that different balance, for their approach is as valid as mine. Just as the paganism of others might suffer if they adhere to your appreciation and baseline. That sounds to me like it might benefit from another thread.
  5. 2 points
    When written down, "and that my friends is how you become a real pagan" grates with me. It doesn't read well, partly for the implication that you have to pass a test and partly for the patronising tone. When spoken on the video, though, it doesn't grate with me at all. It sounds as if that's just the way he talks.
  6. 2 points
    I subscribe to sentiments such as Thomas espouses (and how could anyone (pagan or otherwise) not?) but I should also do more armchair and bookshelf duty. I don't think one makes sense without the other. I couldn't have "become a pagan" just by reading books. I found a path in nature and then gave myself the eventual task of understanding and explaining what I'd found, at least to myself, which needed a little reading just to discover what words to use.
  7. 2 points
    If you are seeking the initiatory Craft, it is likely to be difficult for all sorts of reasons: As has been said above - there are charlatans out there, ready to exploit people with promises of power and all sorts of other things - as there are in any walk of life IMO, the genuine coven is a family and you may not fit nor may you find the people in it ones with whom you wish to work - it works both ways There is not a coven in every city, town and village and you may have to travel far to find your right place Each coven is autonomous even though they adhere to one branch of the Craft or another - they may be different from one another whilst still using a common framework - in all sorts of ways - whether or not they usually or sometimes work skyclad; whether they have an outer training circle for seekers prior to initiation; whether they meet just for ritual or share social time with each other ... and so on and so forth! If any person or group makes you feel uncomfortable in any way whatsoever, you should leave them be and look for a compatible place - pagan conference, pagan magazines, the Pagan Federation, local moots ... are all places where you can meet up with potential teachers and leaders. Referring to some of the comments above: if you want to know the background of the Gardnerian Craft, there is no finer place to get accurate details than Philip Heselton's books about Gardner and the early Craft - there are several books including the latest which is "In search of the New Forest Coven". From that history, you will find that Gardner got his teaching and knowledge from many sources, including Aleister Crowley, the Golden Dawn, OTO and many other sources - before Alex Sanders ever came along! For most of us, we are interested and even fascinated by the history but in the end, it is just that - history and fascinating - if your magic doesn't work personally at least some of the time, then you are not a witch and no initiation will make you one. If magic does not work at least some of the time when your coven attempts it, then the coven is not a good working entity!
  8. 2 points
    Good point. Setting people up as hero's and role models will have an inevitable danger in the possibility that our views of them can be toppled. Better to have visionary leaders who create a movement for change which is identified separately from their own persona. A grassroots type movement empowers individuals rather than sets them up as beholden to the reputation of a leader. I'll go for Shiva Ayyadurai as a visionary leader. https://shiva4senate.com/ It's actuslly a bit of a shock to me that I have latched onto a political campaign as I gave up on the world of politics quite some time ago - but he does stand for the type of change I think the world needs. A systems biologist with four degrees from MIT, a migrant from Southern India who has researched traditional Indian systems of medicine from a Western systems approach. In his words "providing real solutions to real problems".
  9. 2 points
    I'll take your respective words for it. I'll stick with cotton clad.
  10. 2 points
    Yes, it does feel special. I've been naked without being skyclad, but never skyclad without being naked. Speaking from extremely limited experience, skyclad is a state of mind for me. It's about feeling enveloped, not exposed. When it hasn't worked (in a group collapsing with laughter or on my own wondering what on earth I'm doing) I'm just outside with my kit off. When it has worked, then skyclad feels like a really good word.
  11. 2 points
    ... yes, that really is all that matters. Don't worry, I've said many many times that I do not believe that any two people believe the same thing. By the same token: I do not believe that any two people see or hear the same thing, nor do they have exactly the same interpretation. My point was more about the relative reluctance of religion to change with learning when new knowledge appears. When my thinking diverged with that of Christianity I ...... Well let me be fair, I was drifting anyway but it speeded the process. I will never take up religion again. I enjoy thinking far to much and hate the idea of pressing my new learning into a pre-existing mould. My Paganism is not a religion. I've had one of those so I know!
  12. 2 points
    I did not know that. Maths is not my forte. The diagram - which I am probably doing a grave disservice to - helps me to visualise and understand the spiritual realms. I doubt very much that my understanding is the same as was intended when it was first devised. It makes a sort of sense to me, and for my purposes, that is good enough.
  13. 2 points
    Hi - I've used a pendulum in crystal therapy and always had excellent results but for personal use I find I that i can influence the pendulum if you want a certain result so best to try and not form an attachment to the outcome 😊
  14. 2 points
    Happy Beltane! We can’t go outside so we are staying in and taking photos of our newly arrived Green Man playing cards with some fresh flowers (they’re a little bit behind bloom here as it’s still quite chilly) It seems quite fitting for the day we can spend a little time with the Green Man even if it’s not as we’d planned.
  15. 2 points
    Perversity? I don't know what you mean. I am trying understand what you're saying that's all. Anyhow you are sounding a bit pee'd off so I'll leave it there.
  16. 1 point
    I've heard a lot about Alex. He liked the attention, I think. He certainly made no secret of his flamboyant lifestyle, there was a lot written about his affairs at the time. Not to defend anyone who might have taken advantage, and probably plenty did, but this was the 70's. Sexist, racist, homophobic - prime time television was rife with perverts of every variety, and somehow, although it beggars belief now, this was seen as normal. It was a very strange time, political correctness hadn't been invented yet, feminism was still a new idea, sex and drugs and rock'n'roll, society was half prudish and often bigoted, and half wanting to shock and tear down the barriers. We have, thankfully, moved on from those times, fun though they certainly were occasionally. Young women today are more likely to call someone out if they think they are pushing boundaries. But unless a significant period of training has taken place and there is some kind of compatibility and trust between the participants, it almost certainly won't happen. It is a part of the bond and perhaps bonding process between coven members.
  17. 1 point
    We applaud visionaries whose visions accord with our own.
  18. 1 point
    Long ago, training as a Management Development specialist I was taught that the best leadership is situational. Someone who does the leadership job, inspires the next leaders and buggers off. We were shown three categories:- Structural Leadership. A leadership position as an established slot within some form of social structure. A CEO, an HP or a Modron would fit but are very likely to have other one or both of the other leadership characteristics. All are happily developing their own replacements. Sapiential Leadership. Someone who takes the lead, regardless of rank because they are experienced in the particular situation in which the organisation finds itself. A war leader, someone who comes to the fore in a crisis. They may or may not adapt once the crisis is over. Churchill didn't. Eisenhower did better, De Gaul better still. A Charismatic leader may not have any expertise in the situation they are leading but they are able to inspire, communicate with (or at worst, manipulate) those whom they are able to impress. Whatever you may think of the fortyfifth president of the US or the Bullingdon Bottler in No10, they have elements of this form of leadership. I may not like it but then I am not of their constituency. John Harvey Jones described a good leader:- Someone who knows where they are going, can take their people with them and is happy to hand over when necessary whether temporarily or permanently. I do not trust flash and fireworks leaders. It wasn't Henry V who went unto the breach, it was the usual cannon fodder. I'd look for s leader who rolled up their sleeves and found a better way through the walls of Harfleur or an inovative way over them. They wouldn't have been personally remarked and neither would their chief engineer but they'd have been my kind of leader.
  19. 1 point
    Very much agree with the unique role Greta has taken on leading awareness on the climate emergency. I've never really had much time for mainstream politics but have always admired Caroline Lucas for years. She conducts herself impeccably in the face of much antagonism or ridicule from other MP's. Perhaps obvious choices given my love and compassion for animals are David Attenborough and Chris Packham for their tireless work and unswerving passion.
  20. 1 point
    This is published by DK so probably anonymous, but Suzannah Lipscomb has written the foreword, which should lessen the chance of it being complete twaddle.
  21. 1 point
    And much overlooked, I think! How cute! I had the opportunity to hold one once. We were at a nature reserve and the guide had trapped a few in order to monitor numbers (or something similar - I can't remember now). He asked which one of us would like to be the one to release it, which involved holding it briefly in the hand before it scampered off into the undergrowth again. It was such a lovely experience.
  22. 1 point
    A you will see from my post back in March 2017, we appear to have that in common - though I'm not sure whether my eagle is bald.
  23. 1 point
    Hi all, I invite you to check out my etsy page for my handmade traditional spell/ mood novena candles. https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/CornwallCandles Thank you, Martin
  24. 1 point
    Yes I have some sacred animals whom I seek guidance from and some of these give me new inspiration. One of te most powerful impressions was when i was a child. We went to this pond in the forest. It was a warm summers day and above the heat the sun shone pearlescent light upon the water. Dragonflies were dancing hanging on the invisible strings of that moment so Id choose them. they have literally opened my eyes by showing their humble beauty.
  25. 1 point
    It's possible to multiply categories of belief to the point we end up playing with definitions to the point we risk disappearing up our own fundements. If I understand him correctly, Moonsmith is a pantheist because the universe is everything, everything is god and god is everything. From the stone to the star, everything has its part in the universal identity. He is as much the universe as the bricks in the wall of his house or the Pegasus galaxy. It's about as inclusive as you can get, and requires no belief in anything supernatural (assuming that is a concept that makes sense anyway) There's an element of the idea within my post of 31/01/2016 ante, though my version of it is rather different to MS's. Quite agree about archaeologists. There seems a fashion for assuming everything was "ritual", as if that is somehow a special category in the benighted minds of our primitive ancestors. Nonsense.
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  27. 1 point
    *just an opinion, a perspective, not necessarily fact at all* I agree on the answer of "both", and perhaps a bit of "not sure" too. It really does come down to who you ask. There is so much variation within the paths of Paganism, I doubt there are very many who follow the same "carbon copied" paths. For some, their way of practising might be considered to be quite "religious" in nature, e.g.: certain shared deities, shared ethics and principles, shared practices, shared rituals, working within groups of similar-minded people, and doing things a certain way. Similar, not the same - pagans are human, and we all differ slightly (even when we try to match up) In my experience, religion appears to be quite structured, and often a shared experience with others. Some Pagans may not see their beliefs in such a way, nor may they feel they share enough similar thoughts with others. Perhaps too dissimilar to work with others, and so would prefer solitary work... though there are plenty of solitary pagans who would consider themselves religious too. Some may link religion to deity - some Pagans vehemently respect and work with deity, but there are plenty of Pagans who have an atheistic perspective... I suppose it comes down to how you perceive religion and belief too - I don't believe the two are so black and white. Surely one must have belief/faith/trust to also follow a religion with what might be thought of as little definitive proof?
  28. 1 point
    Just been reading through this thread from awhile back with interest. I feel most at ease and "at home" when in the company of trees - particularly when they are old. Has anyone spent a night in the woods by themselves? It's something that I have wanted to do for many years but not got around to it or been able to explain the desire well enough to those around me so that they would understand............ This leads to much guilt every time I place a log in the stove - I give thanks in my thoughts each time I do! At least my supply comes from a managed resource which is something I suppose - morally I have convinced myself it is better for the planet than continuing to burn lots of gas on the central heating.
  29. 1 point
    I read this and couldn't resist posting it. for one thing, it's by Lady Abigail. That there "Lady" tells us she's a special pagan, with special wisldom. And then, it's not about losing your pet. No sirreee. It's about losing a familiar. A very different animal. Or is it? Can you spot the difference? :P
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