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Ellinas last won the day on February 26

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About Ellinas

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    Very talkative
  • Birthday 09/22/1965

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  • Path
    A rather individualistic version of Hellenic paganism
  • Experience
    c. 2001-ish
  • Biography
    I'm a former fundamentalist Christian (still married to one) who realized, around 2000, that I couldn't stomach the beliefs any more. My interest has always lain with Mediterranean mythology, so that was a natural next step. My main focus is Hekate (whom I see as providing also a link to pre-Hellenic beliefs) but I steadfastly refuse to accept any orthodoxy, orthopraxy or group wisdom as to what I should believe or do. My main sphere of activity on a pagan forum was Dragonswood, which is now defunct - though I have seen a few old Woodies hanging round the Valley...
  • Goals and Aims
    My aims are:
    1. To learn Greek to a reasonable level of competence;
    2. Retire as soon as is financially viable;
    3. Go wandering with Mrs E;
    4. Annoy bureaucrats;
    5. Draw my pension long enough to make my employer weep.
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    Internet fora only (formerly Dragonswood; now Ex-Christian.net)

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  1. Sacrifice

    Ooh, you, you, you religionist you...! Pardon me while I take a few moments to lie down in a darkened room... Right... Lifestyle as a sacrifice could be an interesting line to take. But, it strikes me that it needs to have a "handle with care" warning, That way, potentially, lies some fairly strict asceticism. And, whilst each to his own, asceticism is something with which I have little personal sympathy. What it could mean (handled with care) is a life that is attuned to one's concept of honouring deity. Arguably, a medical career, or having a good laugh whilst manning the counter in a charity shop, or just buying a coffee for someone in distress, are all examples along the way of a life lived in this way. However, it's hardly the dictionary definition of sacrifice. Anyone got a chicken and a sharp knife?
  2. Sacrifice

    Sacrifice is, ultimately, a form of gift, nothing more or less. A gift generally involves some form of expense to the giver. Expense above the norm? Why? I suppose the level of the expense may be linked to the purpose of the gift - just like you may spend more for someone's golden wedding anniversary than for yet another pair of Christmas socks,
  3. Sacrifice

    Depends on or way of doing things. I suppose. Given I do things pretty informally, I suppose to very little extent.
  4. Sacrifice

    Classical and older related belief systems do seem to tend to have something of a contractual aspect to them.
  5. Sacrifice

    When the recipient initiates a gift of something that the recipient does not actually need, it's time to start analyzing a relationship.
  6. Sacrifice

    Blame me, why don't you. Didn't hold a gun to your head, did I...? Anyhow... What is sacrifice in the Pagan world? A lot less colourful and gory than it used to be. I rather suspect that most of us would equate it with making an offering. The concepts are connected, I do not doubt - though the idea of sacrificing a slice of pizza doesn't quite have the ring of authenticity that would attach to a sharp knife and sheep. More generally, it is what the word implies - "making sacred", i.e. cutting something off from the everyday and devoting it to deity in some way. That's not to say that there is no mileage in ideas such as work or art as a sacrificial act, though in reality I'd prefer the shade of meaning found in the word "devotional". What does it achieve? At worst, nothing. Often, a warm fuzzy feeling of having done something, however bizarre, for one's deity (bearing in mind that no deity actually needs any of the physical things devoted to them). But is that all...? When my father was dying, I made a small offering and asked for his speedy passing (he was in quite a pitiful state). I later discovered that he died, as far as I can tell, contemporaneously to that offering. And, I have to say, the offering seemed rather too small for the issue involved - which is why I was not entirely surprised when I lost my wedding ring the next day. When my wife was ill, I also made an offering/sacrifice - an antique pocket watch. It still exists. I know precisely where it is. I will never again wear it, nor profit from any sale. Eventually it will pass to the custody of my son - and he will be entirely free to do with it as he sees fit. But to me, it is something devoted to a particular goddess. And that's the point, I think. It is an act of giving. That is it's importance. The value of what is given is of limited importance - but can become more important when linked to an issue of sufficient weight. It's not an issue of usefulness to deity, but of cost to the giver. It is a mark of respect and an indication of willingness to bear a cost. It achieves whatever the giver seeks to achieve, by and large. Who or what initiates it? The giver. Who else could do so? How do you decide what to sacrifice/do/give? Depends. Often, it's a matter of practicality. A small pack of sesame seeds pured onto the ground in some bushes is unobtrusive and harmless for marking an acknowledgement of one's deity. For weightier matters, whatever seems of sufficient value or has the appropriate symbolism. I do not hold to the idea of any rules or objective requirements, however. I very much doubt, personally, that deities have any greater preference for specific substances than they have use for them. The question is the association in the mind of the giver. Stuff like that! Can you be more specific?
  7. Day off Friday.  Yippeeeeee...!!!!!!!!

    1. Veys


      :o_bounce3::o_bounce3::o_bounce3: Enjoy Ellinas! 

    2. Ellinas


      I did.  It's training for part time working (at least) and/or retirement...

      Went to see the snowdrops at Welford Park near Newbury.  It was flippin' freezin'

  8. Special Moon Tonight - Questions

    Mods only rock in red...!
  9. Special Moon Tonight - Questions

    Sorry to hear about your Nan. I rather suspect that the salt would have turned the scales at precisely the same point. You could try the process again and weigh it before and after, What powers, precisely? And what 12 step process? Rain has a poetic quality - and is only a problem when you have no opportunity to change into something dry and warm.
  10. Special Moon Tonight - Questions

    May I make a suggestion? I get the impression - though I may be misinterpreting you - that you have many ideas, many questions, but they are crowding you with no obvious order. If I'm wrong on that, feel free to put me right. But, for now, it may be worth drawing breath and trying to start at a more basic level. What do you believe? How do you think the cosmos hangs together and how do you believe you relate to it? Those are big enough issues in themselves, and any answer anyone can give to such questions can only ever be temporary, but it strikes me that quite a few of your questions will sort themselves out if you can get a clear handle on where you stand currently on them. It may be that you have already sorted them out in your own mind - in which case, ask yourself what your beliefs tell you about how you relate to your practices. From my standpoint, you are entirely free to do whatever you like in relation to the moon according to whatever interpretation you put on it and its' phases. You are free to see it as anything from a lump of rock to the embodiment of deity, and any combination of symbolism and meaning in between. The effect of your practices will depend on your beliefs. That is why it is impossible to tell you what is right or wrong in these practices - it depends on your own outlook
  11. I've put a new picture in "Creative Corner" if anyone's interested...

  12. Why are Marie biscuits so  difficult to find these days?  They have them abroad.  Last time I bought a packet was in Minorca.

    1. Moonsmith


      ...... and arrowroots!

  13. All or ..................

    Labels are convenient but, ideally, flexible. I feel no need to conform to anyone's thinking, but I sometimes find it helpful shorthand to be able to say "I am a ...." - it usually shortens the amount of breath required to explain a broad outline of one's position. But there is never any requirement for a label, nor any rush to acquire one. And, if the label starts to become a restriction in some way, it's time to ditch it.
  14. Open Letter to Non-Pagan Bookstores

    Good to know they are available. I've never noticed them around here. Then again, I've never looked for them.
  15. Open Letter to Non-Pagan Bookstores

    It's unusual to find anything directly about modern paganism that does not seem rather facile - which starts with the same letter as "fluffy" but I'm unsure if it is a wider or a narrower concept. Of course, you can get the odd nugget even an otherwise pointless book. Whether it is worth snorkelling though the daftness to find it is another matter. I've picked up some stuff by Crowley (Book of the Law, Book of Lies, 777) and LaVey (Satanic Bible & Satanic Rituals) - not that those names are any guarantee of quality and some of what both wrote strikes me as hilariously nonsensical. I've also obtained the complete works of Plato, Graves' Greek Myths, and classical authors are not difficult to come by (Aristotle, Livy, Apollodrus, Homer...). That may be the advantage of Hellenism - I don't recall seeing many copies of the Eddas gracing bookshelves. Also stuff on archaeology and ancient history is out there. Some years ago I came across an entire series of reprints of late 19th/early 20th century titles on folklore, albeit from a more anthropological standpoint (authors like Donald MacKenzie), Dated, but not without interest. I suppose it depends on what you regard as "good" and "pagan",